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Thing is, America thinks giving us bread and circuses is “Socialism”
Funkytom467Circuses isn’t socialism, it’s a pretty useful tool of capitalism, even though it ruins it in some cases.
Bread though, no capitalist will ever share their bread. Or anything for that matter.
Historical precedence says you’re wrong. Rockefeller, a prominent capitalist and thus commonly demonized by anti-capitalists, supported initiatives to combat hunger. His foundation provided substantial funding for soup kitchens during the great depression, and his foundation has continued to focus on public health, education, and scientific research.
JP Morgan, “the ghost of rich dudes passed”, was also philanthropic as fuck. He didn’t donate food directly, but his efforts supported educational institutions, scientific research, and the arts.
Even Elon Musk has a foundation that studies renewable energy research, space exploration, pediatric research, and more, all at cost for the betterment of the world. In fact, when it was especially popular to point out that his wealth could end poverty entirely, he started directly asking people for their metrics and potential methods. He was clearly ready to put resources into fixing a problem, but nothing ever came of it because no one actually had real metrics or methods, they just wanted a reason to dunk on Elon.
Okay so those are just some guys I already knew about, what if I just pick a random “capitalist” name I hear commonly thrown around. Carnegie, sure, not sure what he did but I know I’ve seen his name besmirched for being capitalist aaaaand yep look at that! In his older age he donated most of his wealth to the establishment of public libraries, educational institutions, and foundations aimed at promoting world peace. I literally had no idea about any details of this guy’s life, but yeah, it’s not surprising that a successful prominent capitalist lived a life of philanthropy in his later years, because that’s the more consistent pattern.
Have you ever once even tried to look into whether what you believe is true or not? Or would you just rather hate a label you’ve been told to hate?
Sociology professor Linsey McGoey has written that many current and past philanthropists amassed their fortunes by predatory business practices which enhanced the very social problems their philanthropy is intended to alleviate.
What predatory practices?
And how were they being exploitative?
Why Billionaire Philanthropy Won't Solve Anything
3 times in a row you simply linked something without typing. Do you ever think for yourself? Tell me with your own words. I want to know what you think, not what the internet thinks
Intelligence isn’t spontaneous. It is shared. You want to dismiss credible sources, but cannot because you are not a credible source. So, you want me to stand in for the sources, so you can dismiss me. No, I don’t think I will.
No I actually just wanted to have a conversation with someone who has thoughts of their own to share. Could imagine if you asked someone what they thought about something and that just handed you an essay written by someone else? Would you have any confidence that this person has any thoughts at all?
And if you pointed that out to them, what would you think if their response was nothing but condescending?
You have not come across very well here. I was not trying to contradict or dismiss, I was looking for an honest conversation. Your constant assumptions that I am a bad faith party have directly resulted in you acting in bad faith yourself, and now you’ve proudly defended an act of pure ignorance.
You need to stop assuming you’re better than people, because you will only make yourself worse.
I don’t intend to be condescending. And I know I’m not better than others. Which is why I defer to experts and sources that have more knowledge and studies that reference what I think. Conversations are fine when talking about the weather or sports. But if you are getting your philosophy and politics from conversations with strangers on the internet, you’re at best going to learn a narrow view of the world, or worst going to be led astray.
Don’t look to social media to learn what to think, but use it as a tool to learn what not to think.
Discussing ideas is not the same as getting my philosophy blindly from what people say on the internet.
What you worry about, being led astray by a narrow view, is precisely what I worry about in people like you. If someone is unwilling to talk about their ideas or hear others out, which is what you did, then they are less likely to hear good reason to rethink their world view.
Likewise, if you are unable to summarize your ideas in conversational form, I have low confidence in believing you understand the things you say. An expert in a scientific field is almost always able to explain more complicated theories in simpler ways that the layman can understand. If a theory can’t be explained to a layman, it’s effectively useless.
You’re also suggesting that the reason I’m here is to finally get a grasp on all these theories I’ve heard about but never learned. That’s not what’s happening, and I already told you that explicitly. I am here to talk to you about what you think. That’s normal and should be understood as normal.