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A Vermont mom called police to talk to her son about stealing. He ended up handcuffed and sedated

https://lemmy.ca/post/14606528

A Vermont mom called police to talk to her son about stealing. He ended up handcuffed and sedated - Lemmy.ca

What happened next that evening in May 2021 is the basis for a lawsuit by the mother alleging that Burlington police used excessive force and discriminated against her unarmed son, who is Black and has behavioral and intellectual disabilities. After he failed to hand over the last of the stolen e-cigarettes, two officers physically forced him to do so, then Cathy Austrian’s son was handcuffed and pinned to the ground as he screamed and struggled, according to a civil lawsuit filed Tuesday and police body-camera video shared with The Associated Press by the American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont. The teen eventually was injected with a ketamine, a sedative, then taken to a hospital, according to the lawsuit and video.

Feb 3, 2024 at 4:02amWeb
Show threadBombOmOmFeb 3, 2024
I’m not sure what you expected. You told the police about a crime, do you not expect them to arrest the criminal?
Show threadAltoFeb 3, 2024
It takes a special mix of thin blue line bootlicking and thinking the world revolves around you to think this was a good idea.
Show threadwhite_shotgunFeb 3, 2024
Boot licking? Nah… More like boot deepthroating
Show threadFuglyDuckFeb 3, 2024
Kinda hard to deepthroat tiny dicks,
Show threadotpFeb 3, 2024

Do they not treat children and adults differently in the legal system where you come from?

This wasn’t a murder or any other violent crime. It was petty theft from a business committed by a minor.

Show threadqueermunist she/herFeb 3, 2024
Yeah, if he was an adult they might have killed him instead.
Show threadteegusFeb 3, 2024
If a cop in my country injected ketamine into a minor during an arrest it would be in the national news for weeks. Totally unacceptable.
Show threadThe PostminimalistFeb 3, 2024
I didn’t expect them to inject ketamine into a child
Show threadTh4tGuyIIFeb 3, 2024

For a petty theft committed by a mentally disabled minor?

The situation was non-violent and under control - the cops escalated far beyond what was needed because they got bored waiting for the kid to fork over the last couple of e-cigarettes. There was no need to pin the kid to the ground, and definitely no need to inject them with ketamine.

In a world where all cops weren't bastards, they would have continued to build a rapport until they could convince the kid to give them back, give him a lecture about stealing, then let everyone be on their way.

Show threadVaultBoyNewVegasFeb 3, 2024

It’s like some people don’t understand what community policing or policing by consent is. Cops shouldn’t be resorting to force unless they really have to and someone not handing over an e cig in no way warrants being tackled or restrained plus with neurodivergent people that only makes them more agitated which then obviously makes the situation worse.

It’s not fucking rocket science that different situations call for different responses and some situations only really need a fucking talking or conversation.

Show threadTh4tGuyIIFeb 3, 2024
Exactly. In a sane world, cops shouldn't ever be the ones escalating any situation, especially one where there is no on-going threat
Show threadBreakDecksFeb 3, 2024
Show threadcmbabulFeb 3, 2024
Say it with me, All cops are bastards
Show threadgirlfreddyFeb 3, 2024
Always.
Show threadAtariDumpFeb 3, 2024

All Carsalesmen Are Bastards.

Defund the dealerships.

All Firemen Are Drunks.

Show threadgregorumFeb 3, 2024
That mother deserves to cry until she bleeds to death from her tear ducts
Show threadSemi-Hemi-DemigodFeb 3, 2024

If you have a problem and you call the cops you now have two problems

Edit: Also, who administered the ketamine? Had they received training in appropriate dosing? Or did some dumb cop just shove a needle into a kid and hope he didn't die.

Show threadEnsign_CrabFeb 3, 2024

Or did some dumb cop just shove a needle into a kid and hope he didn’t die.

Or did some malicious cop just shove a needle into a kid and hope he did die?

Show threadSemi-Hemi-DemigodFeb 3, 2024
Turns out I have a small shred of hope for humanity after all
Show threadRagingRobotFeb 3, 2024
Don’t worry we can get rid of that
Show threadSemi-Hemi-DemigodFeb 3, 2024
Thanks it's not fun
Show threadFuglyDuckFeb 3, 2024

Usually it’s administered by EMS. At least here it is.

At least it’s supposed to be. Cops generally only have slightly better medical training than you’re average cpr/fa/aed cert holder.

Basically, it’s just enough they can say they tried to keep that guy they just shot alive long enough for EMS to show up.

Show threadEndorkendFeb 3, 2024
And then people wonder why as a neurodivergent person, I've passed over several obscenely lucrative contracts simple because they required me to go to the US for any extent of time.
Show threadherrcaptainFeb 3, 2024
Buddy, I’m not neurodivergent and I also straight up refuse to set foot in that place. I don’t even feel particularly comfortable sharing a border with them at this point. Lots of the people are great, but the government and many of its institutions scare the hell out of me.
Show threadSagifuriusFeb 3, 2024
Oh look, 2 cowards
Show threadSagifuriusFeb 3, 2024
You live in a country with the fucking RCMP and yet have let the media convince you their institutions are scary.
Show threadherrcaptainFeb 3, 2024

I’m not saying the RCMP (or local cops) are much better, and we have plenty of our own problems. These days those mainly stem from the import of MAGA-style “conservatism,” and I’ll admit that things have been getting noticeably worse around here.

That said, we don’t have school shootings pretty much every week, insane amounts of gun violence, the overreach of homeland security (my biggest reason for not wanting to set foot down there - crossing the border), people having to mentally run a cost/benefit analysis if they need to go to the hospital, talk of civil war, half our political representatives being clinically insane (here it’s a little less), people going to jail for weed (a small bit of good that’s happened here during a period of general backslide), the alphabet agencies (the RCMP has historically done some heinous shit but it’s child’s play compared to the CIA), the fact that a rapist who actively says he wants to destroy democracy has a very good chance of becoming president again, etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, I’ll happily stay in the country with the RCMP.

Show threadSagifuriusFeb 4, 2024
We literally have a rapist prime minister right now.
Show threadSkepticalButOpenMindedFeb 3, 2024
Canadian cops are scary too, but it’s not even close. US cops are five times more likely to kill. And Canadian cops don’t have qualified immunity.
Show threadSagifuriusFeb 3, 2024
And yet when they run 14 year olds over with their cruiser in a school playground nothing happens.
Show threadSkepticalButOpenMindedFeb 3, 2024

I did a quick search for this but nothing came up. Do you have a link to an article?

Cars are the number one killer of children in Canada. We tolerate a disgusting amount of preventable traffic accidents in Canada, but comparing that to killing children by shooting them or putting them into deadly chokeholds is nonsensical.

Show threadSagifuriusFeb 3, 2024
No, because there is no article. Happened to a friend of mine.
Show threadRandomgalFeb 3, 2024
Trust me bro.
Show threadSagifuriusFeb 3, 2024
There’s also no articles about the 14 year old kid shot in the back by a RCMP officer in a local town no matter how much I google, but I know that happened too, so why don’t you go ahead and google some obscure local things you know happened and see if there’s any documentation.
Show threadRandomgalFeb 4, 2024
It can be a 100% true. With no evidence, it might as well be 100% false.
Show threadSagifuriusFeb 4, 2024
You can fuck off.
Show threadgirlfreddyFeb 4, 2024
Same when they shoot 16 yr old girls in the the head because they stole some booze.
Show threadSGGeorwellFeb 3, 2024
Fine with us. We don’t want cowards walking around, quivering and jumpy.
Show threadGladiusBFeb 3, 2024
We dont want you speaking for us. And there are more of us than they are of you.
Show threadsome_guyFeb 3, 2024
Conservatives don’t understand that they’re in the minority; that their representatives are only in power due to gerrymandering; that it isn’t a fluke that the mainstream media goes against them. It’s sadly and tragically lost on them that they’re freaks.
Show threadThis is fine🔥🐶☕🔥Feb 3, 2024

We don’t want cowards walking around, quivering and jumpy.

So when are you going to deport NRA, cuntbag?

Show threadLmaydevFeb 3, 2024
Ooo big man. So cool.
Show threadABCDEFeb 3, 2024
The fuck does that even mean.
Show threadMisconductFeb 3, 2024
It means they’re one of the macho dipshits that make us all look like gun happy lunatics :(
Show threadHikingVetFeb 3, 2024
What’s that about jumpy cowards?
Ralph Yarl: White man says he shot Black teen because he was 'scared'

Andrew Lester told officials that he was scared someone was attempting to break into his house, CNN reported, citing court documents.

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Show threadFeminalPandaFeb 3, 2024
But you already have cops doing that now.
Show threadLesserAbeFeb 3, 2024

Naturally you should do what you’re comfortable with. I will say that the most upsetting news stories from any place aren’t representative of what it’s like to live there. As a lifelong resident I don’t know anyone personally who has been shot or shot at in the U.S, and don’t know anyone who has been wrongfully arrested or assaulted by the police.

That’s not to say it’s not a problem that needs to be addressed, it is. Just if someone is turning down opportunities they would otherwise accept out of fear of this thing, I would say they may be overweighting the risk.

It reminds me how my mom would always text me when I lived in the city, “did you hear about this shooting? Are you ok?” But I wouldn’t have even been aware there was an incident. There are a lot of people in the world. The absolute crime rate has overall been going down. But the ability for us to hear about horrible incidents has only increased.

Show threadMisconductFeb 3, 2024
I talked to a guy a while ago that genuinely would not believe I’ve never owned or handled a gun. Absolutely would not accept it and said I was lying lol. I think I briefly saw a hunting rifle in my uncle’s closet as a kid but that’s pretty common even outside the US. There are people out there that really think we’re ALL armed to the teeth I guess
Show threaddoctorcrimsonFeb 3, 2024

I feel the struggle, my little brother has been in and out of prison for years. He just has to be cool for a while, catch rides to work and the store, and he could pay off his fines and go back to normal life, but it always gets out of hand.

Cops have no mercy in their soul.

Show threadshalafiFeb 3, 2024

Liberals: “GUNS BAD!”

Also Liberals: “Calling the cops will get you killed!”

Fuck am I supposed to do?!

POC, LGBT and women: “We’re the biggest gun purchasing demographic because we see what’s coming.” That’s our right, and everyone but white liberals seems to be exercising it.

Did I make you uncomfortable? Sure as hell hope I did. The problem is our culture, not people like me.

I’ll defend you if it comes to it, do my damndest if it comes to “trains”, but please stop whining about gun owners. Stop whining about, “They want to exterminate trans people!” Get a fucking clue and work towards self-defense. FFS, stop losing votes.

I often read, “But gosh! What if the pigs exterminate ME personally?!” Either grow a pair and die with your boots on, or get the fuck out my face. This isn’t a schoolyard tussle. We’re entering a fight for American democracy, and for you gay and trans folks, it’s a fight for your right to continue life.

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Show threadqueermunist she/herFeb 3, 2024
You’d think if liberals actually believed Trump is a fascist and American democracy is on the ballot, they’d arm themselves to be prepared.
Show threadfunkless_eckFeb 3, 2024
Who are you going to shoot, though?
Show threadqueermunist she/herFeb 3, 2024
No comment.
Show threadGradually_AdjustingFeb 3, 2024
Many do
Show threadqueermunist she/herFeb 3, 2024
Not nearly enough
Show threadLmaydevFeb 3, 2024
What exactly would you do if the US army went fascist? Think you’d be pretty out gunned lol
Show threadqueermunist she/herFeb 3, 2024
Hamas is outgunned. Doesn’t stop them from smoking Israeli tanks.
Israel's war with Hamas shows why tanks are not invulnerable

Israel's tank losses to Hamas, just like tank losses 50 years ago or in Ukraine now, stoke renewed debate about the role of tanks in modern warfare.

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Show threadthecrotchFeb 3, 2024
So were the vietnamese and afghanis
Show threadLmaydevFeb 3, 2024
I don’t think wars thought half way around the globe are quite the same as on your home turf.
Show threadBuddahrifficFeb 3, 2024
Yeah, people would get much more upset if they attack weddings and school buses with drones locally.