ardi60Reddit Advised to Target at Least $5 Billion Valuation in IPO
nicetriangleSure feels like they timed this IPO pretty badly. I think the ideal time to strike on this would have been a few years ago... Based on market conditions anyway. Reddit itself may just not have had their ducks lined up enough, but that's their problem, not the stock market's.
- Tech stocks trading sideways for the last year or two
- The interest rate money printer got shut off and cash is not cheap anymore
- Seemingly all the major new tech stock investment interest is circling around stuff like AI
- Federated alternatives are slowly building steam and people seem to have gotten pretty salty about corporate social media
- The pandemic is more or less over and people have pulled back from being chronically online somewhat (this is my guess, I don't have data to back it up)
Also what exactly is the monetization strategy? Ads I guess? More catering towards creating corporate "synergy" with the Reddit community? Selling user data/content? So basically making the place suck considerably worse for users is what it looks like to me.
Ross_audioMonetisation?
Licensing the site to AI when there’s finally a ruling they can’t just scrape the internet for training data while ignoring copyright.
CorkyskogI was told reddit has already been scraped for AI and all sorts of stuff. There is very little new value to sell.
Except AI models may end up having to start again with licences or public domain data.
They are currently breaking the law and delaying legal action as long as possible in the hopes they can repeat the trick with a new data set.
TakCorporations break the law all the time and typically it’s just an operational expense.
Typically they aren’t fighting other corporations.
I don’t understand what you’re saying because I never said they were.
My point is that corporations often see a fine as a cost of business because the fines are issued by a regulatory system that has no teeth.
If you’re in a lawsuit against another corporation they are going after damages in civil court and it’s likely to be a high enough fine to stop the behaviour.
Whatever already existed won’t be thrown away regardless of the ruling. It’s like throwing all the gold already dug up just because it was done by slave labor. The law and legal actions are mostly just a moat around the pile of gold already dug up. Sure AI companies will have to pay more for the new data from other sources. However that would be peanut compared to how much they will have to pay starting from zero.
If every time what already exists gets used there’s a risk of a massive fine or court case they’ll throw it away.
The game now is to delay the legal process long enough until they’ve built the replacement.
Then they can afford to throw the, essentially faulty, model away.
It’s not at all clear that the current model does breach the law.
If it was a court would have issued an injunction or whatever.
It’s clear from the output that it breaks copyright.
We don’t have to look inside the black box to demand to see the input which caused that output.
To be clear a machine is not responsible for itself. This machine was trained to break copyright.
Generally if someone is clearly in breach of copyright the rights holder will apply to a court to issue an injunction to order that company to cease their activities until a case can be resolved.
Given that has not happened, it seems that from a court’s perspective, it’s not a clear breach of copyright.
The rights holder first considers the size of the payout vs. the cost of legal fees.
Just because they haven’t been sued directly for this doesn’t make it infringement.
Nonsense. If this is copyright the payout will be many billions. They’ve had a year to think about it.
The statute of limitations is much longer than a year. It’s usually around 5.
They can wait, see who’s made the money, then target them for a payout.
A court wouldn’t look favourably on that.
Rights couldn’t have been very b important if you just let it run.
They really don’t care. It can take a lot of time to put a solid case together and you’re better off having a solid case than a quick trial.
No they’ll train on laundered model output. Like every llama.
The investment thesis they the data is valuable is bonkers. It’s not. Not only has it been exfiltrated and can be laundered in a dozen ways, Reddit also won’t be able to effectively assert copyright.
Look at Facebook. It’s full of reposted quora content now with AI images and AI laundered text.
Reddit is dead