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In-N-Out to close first location in its 75-year history due to a wave of car break-ins and robberies

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In-N-Out to close first location in its 75-year history due to a wave of car break-ins and robberies - Lemmy.World

In-N-Out Burger says it will close its first location in its 75-year history due to a wave of car break-ins, property damage, theft and robberies affecting customers and employees alike at its only restaurant in Oakland, California. The fast-food burger joint in a busy corridor near Oakland International Airport will close on March 24 because even though the company has taken “repeated steps to create safer conditions our Customers and Associates are regularly victimized,” Denny Warnick, In-N-Out’s chief operating officer, said in a statement Wednesday.

Jan 26, 2024 at 2:01amWeb
Show threadimPastaSyndromeJan 26, 2024

Ah yes just like all the other stores that “closed due to theft”

Oakland

But then again…

Show threadillahJan 26, 2024

People here trying to make this about masking bad business decisions etc don’t live in Oakland. I live here, it’s really bad right now.

I was joking with a friend that a lot of Oakland feels like a bad 80s dystopia film…like you know those scenes with hobos warming themselves around a burning oil drum, stripped and burned out cars everywhere, piles of trash, drug addicts and prostitution wandering around, etc? That’s literally real life in a large part of east Oakland.

Show threadrappoJan 26, 2024

I was about to comment that I lived in Oakland for 5 years and it really isn’t that bad. Like any city, it has its bad parts that you need to avoid. But you cleared it up.

a large part of east Oakland

A large part of east Oakland is bad. Luckily, it’s easy to avoid… but not if you already live there.

Show threadSir_KevinJan 26, 2024
Good god it’s somehow gotten so much worse!
Show threadMellibirdJan 26, 2024
It’s like a literal Hoovertown.
Show threadAPassengerJan 27, 2024

This is the reality the politicians aren’t dealing with. Give me a politician that can look reality in the eye, tell me it exists, and tries to do something to improve it.

I like Sanders, but I don’t see many making the right noises.

Show threadScotty_TreesJan 26, 2024
Since you mentioned Fruitvale Ave, I just wanna add that Fruitvale Station (2013) is an amazing movie people should check out, well worth a watch. It’s by the director Ryan Coogler that did Creed and Black Panther btw.
Show threadTrainguyromJan 26, 2024

I see that No Trespassing sign is working well

Show threadLemmyKnowsBestJan 27, 2024
no trespassing because that land is clearly owned by the truck and trailer guy. /s
Show threadkrellorJan 26, 2024

The crime stats and stories in this case are so bad they'd be comical if it didn't represent desperate people.

Since 2019, police have logged 1,335 incidents in the vicinity of the restaurant on Oakport Street — more than any other location in Oakland, the newspaper reported.

That number includes nine robberies, two commercial burglaries, four domestic violence incidents and 1,174 car break-ins, according to Oakland police data shared with the Chronicle.

I saw elsewhere that a guy got robbed there, came back to do a news interview, and got robbed again. The crime stats mean basically a crime a day at that location.

Show threadZaktorJan 26, 2024
I like how they list a single-digit numbers for a few crimes and then 1,174 car break-ins. 9 robberies and 2 burglaries in 4 years is almost nothing, but sounds like car break-ins are basically constant.
Show threadstevehobbesJan 27, 2024

They don’t prosecute or investigate car break ins there.

No one leaves anything of value not in the trunk for any length of time. Like you literally can’t run into the store for a minute.

Show threadKbin_space_programJan 26, 2024
It might be "closed due to management theft from employees."
Show threadwinterayarsJan 26, 2024
It being in Oakland makes me more suspicious, not less. That’s where the “crime wave panic” is at its strongest.
Show threadStamau123Jan 26, 2024
From comments here it seems that Oakland location really was notorious for crime and breakins
Show threadchemicalprophetJan 26, 2024
So you’re telling me crime is up in this super economy? Nonsense…
Show threadAngryishHumanoidJan 26, 2024
Overall crime is down nationally. Some specific categories are overall trending upward (car theft, not surprisingly) and crime is always fluctuating in local areas in either direction.
Show threadkateJan 26, 2024
noo I love burgers :(
Show threadHello_thereJan 26, 2024
Press x to doubt
Show threadDudewitbowJan 26, 2024

the area has high theft because there are a lot of restaurants in the area, and its outside of an airport, so a lot of tourists tend to leave their luggage in their rental vehicles, making them extremely prime targets for theft.

The Raising Canes in Oakland switched to drive thru only because of the rampant thefts of people flying in and trying Raising Canes first.

Show threadatp2112Jan 26, 2024
At the same time, I see why they’d doubt this, given it sounds similar to the rash of articles about stores closing in cities because of “out-of-control crime” before the midterms, only for the real reasons like corporate reorganization or unionbusting to trickle out later.
Show threadFedizenJan 28, 2024
exactly. Distrusting sensationalist articles about how crime is shuttering businessed is good intuition as its probably correct 4 out of 5 times. The problem is Oakland sounds like it actually has a car burglary epidemic.
Show threadGBU_28Jan 26, 2024
Did you go read about it?
Show threadPotatos_are_not_friendsJan 26, 2024
Are police officers blaming all the defunding efforts that actually never happened yet?
Show threadBurn_The_RightJan 26, 2024
The cops cannot move them because the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found it unconstitutional to move them.
Supreme Court to rule on homeless encampments in California

The Supreme Court will decide if homeless people have a right to camp on public property if no shelter is available, a 9th Circuit legal standard that has complicated efforts in Western states to combat the crisis.

Los Angeles Times
Show threadZombieTheZombieCatJan 27, 2024

Why is the assumption that it’s always and only homeless people. Every time there’s one of those viral videos of people stealing shit from stores it’s somehow never homeless people.

But I guess if you want people without homes to start committing property crimes, one way to do that is to “move” them - meaning having a bunch of cops come, forcing them into areas with no services that they’re unfamiliar with, and then having waste management steal literally all of their worldly possessions and throw them into a dumpster. Yes, that will keep them from stealing in order to survive /s.

It’s always the people who bitch about people without homes who have zero interest in learning what it would actually take to help the problem. If they actually cared, they would never advocate for just “moving” people, because if they used their brain for two seconds they would know how much worse it would make the problem. These are human beings. You can’t throw them away, sweep them under a rug, or make them disappear into thin air. They need resources to rebuild their lives. I wish it were requisite to be homeless for a week in high school or something, since no one seems to be able to imagine what exactly they would do if they woke up tomorrow with nothing. It would never be a problem again.

Show threadRufus Q. Bodine IIIJan 26, 2024
Oakland should get a police department.
Show threadjayrhackerJan 26, 2024
Underrated comment.
Show threadmetallic_substanceJan 26, 2024
I lived in east Oakland for a good while. Shit is waaaay more complicated than that. Fuck directly off of you haven’t lived it
Show threadMotoAshJan 26, 2024
I don’t think anyone here is under the illusion that fixing policing in this country, let alone Oakland, is a simple task.
Show threadmaness300Jan 26, 2024

Maybe it’s a cultural issue.

If the people living in oakland want to behave like animals, then they can live like animals.

Show threadMagicShelJan 26, 2024
“If” is doing so much heavy lifting in that sentence you can probably leave the rest of the words out. Nobody wants to live that way.
Show threadmaness300Jan 26, 2024

Then they have to pay up.

Why should you get more before others who have less if you can’t afford it?

Show threadMagicShelJan 26, 2024
Who has to pay what? What are you even talking about. You said fuck them if they want to live that way and I said no I’ve wants to live that way. So… What?
Show threadmaness300Jan 27, 2024

You have to pay more to live in areas that are more expensive.

Lol.

Show threadGhostalmediaJan 26, 2024
Oaklander here. Shit has really gone downhill over the past decade. Tents started popping up about 15 years ago, and now some parts of town honestly make District 9 look nice. I see stuff in this down that I never thought I would see in an American city.
Show threadmean_bean279Jan 26, 2024

There’s actually a reason for it. The western Supreme Court (the court you go through before the US Supreme Court) made a ruling about a decade ago that all unhoused people can’t be removed from somewhere if there aren’t enough beds in the city for all unhoused people. So basically we can move guy #5 because there aren’t enough beds in shelters for 2,752 homeless people. Recently even Gavin Newsom was asking them to repeal the decision and was banding together with other western state governors and city mayors as they all say the ruling is unfair.

Article

Supreme Court to rule on homeless encampments in California

The Supreme Court will decide if homeless people have a right to camp on public property if no shelter is available, a 9th Circuit legal standard that has complicated efforts in Western states to combat the crisis.

Los Angeles Times
Show threadMr_BlottJan 26, 2024

Having been homeless myself, referring to homeless people as “uNhOuSEd” does absolutely nothing but make you feel a tiny bit more morally superior

You’re making zero difference

Show threadmean_bean279Jan 26, 2024
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Show threadZombieTheZombieCatJan 27, 2024

I’m formally homeless, and I enjoy knowing that people are making the effort to point out that the only difference between us and “them” or “those people” or “the homeless” is that they lack a roof. The word “homeless” has so many negative connotations that there are people trying to reframe it’s meaning to be more objective. Everything we say and do has meaning, so changing a narrative is extremely important.

But sure, fuck those people. /s

Show threadMagicPterodactylJan 26, 2024
Sounds like they should be building shelters not trying to repeal a law that is designed to help people.
Show threadAPassengerJan 27, 2024

As soon as we have enough shelters, cities will bus in more homeless.

I’m not made at homeless people. I’m mad that the system is creating almost normalized homelessness. And then that that creates political football.

They’re people. We forget that too easily.

Show threadEldritchJan 27, 2024

If they do that. And you keep accepting new homeless people giving them security and food and helping connect them with work. Perhaps helping to build more shelters. The cycle will continue and grow and expand. The city will become stronger and stronger, and the places busing their homeless out will become weaker and weaker. Accepting them and building on to the city with them is how you win.

It’s something we can easily support as a nation. It’s simply something wealthy. People don’t want to give up any of their privilege to do though.

Show threadAPassengerJan 27, 2024

As a nation.

It’s made an issue for the city. And as long as an issue is over 100 miles away, the solutions are simple and not owned by the group.

Show threadCaptPretentiousJan 26, 2024
Contextualizing it with District 9 really paints a bleak dystopia
Show threadGladiusBJan 26, 2024
It’s true. I drove truck down there. It literally looks like a warzone. There are clothes lines just hanging from cars everywhere in between tracks for cable cars. RVs on fire. Fires in trunks. It’s like Robocop from the 80s was real. Stay the fuck away from International (used to be E14). It’s not a good place.
Show threadGhostalmediaJan 26, 2024
I am willing to risk my life for the Sinaloa trucks in that part of town. If that’s how I go, so be it.
Show threadGladiusBJan 26, 2024
Aite. Ill give you the food trucks. But I ain’t even thinking about it at night.
Show threadGhostalmediaJan 26, 2024

I used to do a taco crawl on my birthday. We’d walk international at night and get a taco at like 6 places. Last time I did that was about 7 or 8 years ago. I might only do it in the day now.

Sinaloa has a place on Telegraph now, and that is a lot less sketchy. But it’s also not quite as good as the truck.

Show threadMr_BlottJan 26, 2024

I clicked that thinking it would look like the bad parts of Paris. I was not expecting the bad parts of Fallout

Jesus fuck

Show threadGhostalmediaJan 26, 2024
My guess is that the map view folks are too scared to go back now. That thing is 3 years old.
Show threadMellibirdJan 26, 2024
When I looked at it, it said 7 months ago. So someone braved it relatively recently.
Show threadmaness300Jan 26, 2024

Crazy how a place with so much wealth can have so many people living in destitute.

I guess that’s what we get when we’re just passing a bunch of money around at the top.

Show threadNum10ckJan 26, 2024
the one creates the other. the middle class is being gutted by the super rich, while congress is paid handsomely to do nothing about anything.
Show threadCoreidanJan 26, 2024

All that wealth is owned by a minuscule fraction of the population. The rest of the 99% are poor.

I get tired of hearing that America is a wealthy country. It’s not the people that are wealthy. It’s just 1% of the population that is wealthy. The rest are poor.

Show threadmaness300Jan 26, 2024

Relatively speaking, Americans are wealthy af.

You should take a look at the rest of the world.

Show threadcecinestpasunbotJan 27, 2024
That’s not really true if you account for the purchasing power of the dollar within the US. While Americans might benefit from cheap imported consumer goods, their housing, food, and healthcare costs are incredibly high when compared to other countries.
Show threadmaness300Jan 28, 2024
Yes, and their quality of life is also higher than those countries.
Show threadYamainwitchJan 26, 2024
Holy shit that is awful, this country is a dumpster fire.
Show threadMellibirdJan 26, 2024
Omg it has images from 6 years ago and 7 months ago. The difference is absolutely mind blowing. But also in general, to see how it looks now its just so depressing. I’ve been reading a book right now that’s based in the 1930s and this looks and feels like the Hoovertowns they describe.