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Waymo Plans Massive Robotaxi Service Area, But Not Massive Enough

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Waymo Plans Massive Robotaxi Service Area, But Not Massive Enough - lemm.ee

“Waymo has filed a request to the California Public Utilities Commission to expand robotaxi service in the San Francisco Bay Area and Los Angeles region. In the SFBA, it grows from just San Francisco to the whole peninsula, all the way to Sunnyvale but not including Marin, the East Bay and Santa Clara/Cupertino/San Jose. The LA area includes everything north and west of Compton, but not the San Fernando valley.” This is massive I’m not really sure what the writer is on about with the title. Waymo have been in the background making slow and steady progress for years. So much so most people probably don’t even know the extend of their self driving (without a human behind the wheel) developments. This could be the beginning of the big push to actual serious market infiltration. While walking, cycling, electric mobility, and trains are a must for a healthy city they do run into problems. Mainly the last mile problem and unexpected journeys, self driving cars will make a huge impact on the health of cities, traffic and ease of getting around.

Jan 23, 2024 at 7:58amWeb
Show threadessteeyouJan 23, 2024
I often see three Waymo cars driving down Bush Street in SF by themselves. It still surprises me every time.
Show threadWandererJan 23, 2024

It’s the future.

Just need the three boobed woman NSFW

Show threadBritishDufferJan 24, 2024
Three tits, that’s awesome.
Show threadrobocallJan 23, 2024
Back when the cruise vehicles were still available, there used to be three of them constantly driving in front of my home. I think they were looping around the block waiting to be summoned.
Show threadpedzJan 23, 2024

God forbid we have public transit instead of fucking cars everywhere. There’s no need for buses or trains when we can spend huge amounts of energy to autonomously move two tons of metal for each and every individual that exists.

Humanity is not running to ruins. It’s taking a car.

Show threadWandererJan 23, 2024

Yes.

But I also see this being more like a mini bus situation. 10 people to a car instead of 1.

If that then frees up traffic there is a lane for rail, that rail is easier to access from a larger area, would require no parking or planned transport at the destination.

Quite bluntly American cities are terrible, the big ones need more rail even NYC. Lots of places in Europe are identical. But this could be the shot in the arm that urban planners need, the change in politics and the landscape that could allow them to say “same proposal as last year. Can we build a train? … did you just say yes? You fucking with me? Can we really build a much needed train here? … Oh thank Christ”

Show threadpedzJan 23, 2024

I’d be curious to see any numbers on that. Uber and Lyft played the card of “but it’s car sharing and thus reducing trafic” but in the end, it doesn’t really change much, and sometimes even increase trafic.

cnet.com/…/uber-lyft-traffic-congestion-car-owner…

As someone that doesn’t have a licence, never have driven a car, taxis (autonomous or not) are generally useless to me. They are still cars and they keep people dependent on cars.

In a city, people shouldn’t need a taxi (read, a car) to get around. In urban areas, people can walk, bike or use public transit. And if you want to go from one city to another, one shouldn’t also need a taxi (car) to get there.

I’m aware that this is kind of “utopist” and requires efforts to change things but, if the solution to wanting less cars is “cars but shared!”, this is not a solution. It’s just proof of failed policies. It will not encourage any change, just stagnation. Things will stay based on cars… but autonomous… and electric (oh so green)! Oh and also, now big tech knows exactly where you’re going, and when.

Yet another study says Uber and Lyft are worse for traffic congestion

A new study from MIT found fewer people chose public transportation options and the companies had minimal impact on private car ownership.

CNET
Show threadWandererJan 23, 2024

Absolutely agree.

The main issue with this is public opinion, well that and laws and cost. I just believe, based no available data admittedly that self driving cars will help to change people’s minds about stuff. Like if it’s a lot cheaper than owning your own car, which people say it should be. I can see a lot of people say getting a car to a depot and then getting a bus. Public transport will increase and more people will see demand for bus lanes or trains if the demand is there.

Thinks like minimum parking in US could change, that could give enough of a density boost to have a sort of double effect. Like if there is less parking and suddenly you can walk from one shop to another you might. Then if you start doing that you are going to choose the shops that are double story and even closer together.

I think taxis are just too expensive. I had an on demand bus service trail by me and it was awesome. I could take it to town if I was going there or take it to town and get the bus to the next city. But when that wasn’t there I would never get a taxi into town, I also hate taxis and my city doesn’t have uber.

For me self driving cars would be enough to get rid of my car back home and I might anyway but self driving cars would be enough.

My home city isn’t big enough for great public transport and the roads are too narrow for bus lanes so you get stuck in traffic anyway. If you want to go the next two cities over I can go into town and get the train but its faster to drive and both times I lived in those cities I worked on the outskirts, one didn’t have a bus link, the other was much much faster to drive.

University I took the bus for 1 year then the other I had a bike. That was awesome and I would love to do it again. The main think stopping me cycling is I don’t want to share the road with crazy human drivers that wish you was dead. That changes I will cycle more. Either with designated lanes or with no human drivers.

Another city I lived in I was on the outskirts and drove to the outskirts of a nearby city, on a warm day I walked it once but it took 45 mins I think. If I took public transport I would have had to go into town, between towns and then back out again. Would have taken forever. Getting into town I could walk to station (or drive there actually) and get the train in. If I was drunk I’d have to get a taxi as the trains stopped running so that was kinda nice.

Lived in Sydney actually too the bus and train everywhere was super easy and quick and cheap. Since then I believe every big city has no excuse to not have a system as least as good as Sydney. (Trains lines were pretty shit actually. One line on the north side and that was more like the west side.).

I actually despise driving but I can’t get away from the car. The biggest issue for me might be getting groceries.

Show threadAA5BJan 23, 2024

We need both.

Autonomous cars improve things over regular cars, and should reduce the need for parking. They can unblock changes to repurpose parking.

Transit and walkability are much more important for a healthy city but can take a very long time to change. As we improve those, we should be able to relegate autonomous cars to the suburbs, or last mile not yet served by transit

Show threadmaynarkhJan 24, 2024

Autonomous cars improve things over regular cars, and should reduce the need for parking.

As long as they are not owned by private individuals and are actually shared. I can totally see people instead of parking their car, just having them circle around in traffic. It would be hilarious to watch in a morbid curiosity way though.

Show threadAA5BJan 24, 2024
They still cost money to operate…… although yeah, I could definitely see sending the car home. Of course then you need to schedule it to come back and if you’re not ready to leave yet, driving around might be the only option
Show threadBobby TurkalinoJan 23, 2024
“Massive” maybe meaning population or impact, about 1/3 of CA’s population is in that region