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Big Galaxy S24 leak reveals Samsung's strategy against Google's Pixel phone

https://lemmy.world/post/10756719

Big Galaxy S24 leak reveals Samsung's strategy against Google's Pixel phone - Lemmy.World

Quoting the tl;dr in the linked article: > - Samsung could be stepping up its game by offering seven years of major Android updates for the Galaxy S24 series, and the generous update policy might extend to other Galaxy flagships. > > - The Galaxy S24 series might also introduce charges for AI features like Live Translate and Pixel-like photo editing tools after 2025. > > - There’s speculation that users may need to sign in to their Samsung accounts for certain AI functionalities.

Dyskolos Jan 15, 2024

That is not the only big thing of pixels. To me it’s the openness. These are, ironically, the best and easiest phones to leave google. Or at least root them without the evergrowing hassles of each iteration of samcraps.

Noone would ever buy a PC if they wouldn’t get admin-access and mustn’t install Linux or whatever. With phones they managed to keep us out.

Dudewitbow Jan 15, 2024

i always found it funny that the best method of having a privacy focused phone (without having significant tradeoffs like the pinephone) is to buy the phone from the company who violates privacy the worst, and flashing over it.

HiramFromTheChi Jan 16, 2024

True. This is why the general recommendation is typically to buy used. That way, they don’t get additional revenue from the sale of a new phone, and it also decreases e-waste.

(Sure, the revenue may be a drop in the bucket, but it’s still something.)

helenslunch Jan 16, 2024

There’s an argument to be made that buying used improves resale value and thus increases the price they can sell new, but I will not make it 😂

I think they probably break even or even sell these devices at a loss. The money is in the data-mining. And they want to show other OEMs/consumers what a “flagship” Android experience can/should look like.

Kinda like video game consoles are sold at a loss to subsidize game sales.

pycorax Jan 16, 2024

Noone would ever buy a PC if they wouldn’t get admin-access and mustn’t install Linux or whatever. With phones they managed to keep us out.

Realistically this only forms a tiny part of the population though, that’s pretty much the only reason why they’ve been able to keep people out.

Dyskolos Jan 16, 2024

If only a tiny part of people care at all, why even make it sooooo complicated and change every damn update? Let people that WANT control, have control. The others don’t care anyway and are scared enough by a “are you REALLY REALLY REALLY sure you know what you’re doing here?”-security-question.

I don’t pay 1000,- for a phone that isn’t mine, and I hate that this has become the default.

machinin Jan 16, 2024

On the one hand, I could see bad actors taking advantage of easily rooted/unlocked systems. Maleficent resellers could also take advantage.

Definitely give me the warnings and let me know what could happen, but let me unlock it and own it completely.

Dyskolos Jan 16, 2024

That’s how it is usually when rooted. A confirmation is shown.

Or let it be set do decline by default and let the user explicitly change this. Problem solved. Of course malign intent wouldn’t be benefical with pre-rooted-no-confirmation-phones 😌

pycorax Jan 17, 2024

I agree with you but to play devil’s advocate, even for the simple issue of app sideloading on Android, there’s no shortage of dumb users out there that willingly bypass all sorts of warnings and install apps that are very obviously malware.

Dyskolos Jan 17, 2024

… And? Does a system have to be adjusted to the lowest denominator?

If you use a thing, of which you have zero clues about, and still fuck around with it, you get what you ask for. People don’t understand the slightest thing about the internet and still use it to go to “free” streaming-sites and whatnot.

I don’t say rooting-per-default. But an easy option to do so. And also unlocking the bootloader. It’s ok if it’s hidden. And let it come with 5 security questions á la “u rly sure?”. If someone doesn’t know what he’s doing, and still does it, and screws up, so be it. Charge the dumbnut in support.

pycorax Jan 18, 2024

Don’t shoot the messenger lol. I’m in agreement with you.

Dyskolos Jan 18, 2024

Oh sorry, that wasn’t meant to come across harsh 😊

helenslunch Jan 16, 2024

Noone would ever buy a PC if they wouldn’t get admin-access

Why not? They do it with phones all the time.

Dyskolos Jan 16, 2024

“you can’t uninstall a system-app” (while trying to get rid of all the bloatware like mcaffee) “you cannot upgrade to win8, but you can factory-reset your win7” “you can only factory-reset 3 times, please call <insert company>-support!” “you don’t have access to this file” "defender has removed this ‘malware’ and there’s nothing you can do about it’ “You can’t install linux on this machine, this machine came bundled with Win7Home” “you cannot install this program” “you are not allowed to enter the bios” “you cannot boot from this non-licensed device” (usb-stick) etc.

One of these would probably do it :-)

jenny_ball Jan 17, 2024

exactly. the golden age was like 2015ish. great roms, easy to root, headphone jack, flat screens.

EmergMemeHologram Jan 15, 2024

7 years of updates is the tour of competition I like to see

Nickle and diming “AI” features isn’t.

Squizzy Jan 15, 2024

I’m pretty happy about that, I don’t want AI features and not paying for them seems to guarantee they won’t be involved with the phone.

I hate all the AI upscaling they do, those moon shots suck.

ianovic69 Jan 15, 2024

I mean, just have 65W+ charging. It’s the single biggest feature that neither offers.

It’s as if the whole world is split between those who could not live without it and those who haven’t yet experience it.

I was at an airport recently where my flight was delayed a few hours. There were so many anxious people waiting to use plug sockets, the fear of a dead battery making the atmosphere tense everywhere, you could almost smell it.

I waited for the queues to form when the flight was called to board and eventually a plug socket near my seat in the bar became free. 20% to 80% in 15 minutes, onto the plane and sorted.

Google, Samsung & Apple are useless for me until they have that.

Mojojojo1993 Jan 15, 2024

Or. www.ossia.com/cota

This is the future.

You don’t need 100% battery. You need a battery that doesn’t go flat.

Fast charging just buggers the battery. Too much heat isn’t great

Cota: Real Wireless Power Technology & Charging

Explore how Cota makes wireless power and charging a reality and learn how you can add it to your smart products and connected home.

Onii-Chan Jan 15, 2024

I remember having this idea in 2016, but being a massive fucking idiot, never even remotely knew how to make it an actual thing. Good to see there's a market for it and that someone is executing on the tech.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble Jan 16, 2024

With a wireless product like that you’re probably not even going to get enough power to charge your phone. Maybe sustain it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdRVtka0Jg

Mojojojo1993 Jan 16, 2024

You don’t need to charge it though.

Don’t even need to sustain it. Just slow it’s discharge. I don’t need 100% phone.

I barely go out. Either at the office or at home.

Once we get solid state batteries in phones. A slow charge overnight and and slowing charge during the day. That’s all I need. Probably a lot of people.

People who are flying and all over the place. They have something for they. Battery packs. They don’t need kits all over the place. Can charge on plane. Can charge in Uber. Can charge on bus. In pubs/cafes.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble Jan 16, 2024

You may want to watch the video. Specifically the 2.5mW segment.

KingJalopy Jan 16, 2024

My pixel has a slow charge feature I think. It uses that by default at night usually. Pretty nifty I guess.

Mojojojo1993 Jan 16, 2024

I have the same. Every phone should. It’s just thrashing the battery and you don’t need full charge an hour after going to bed. It’s got hopefully 8 hours to charge.

helenslunch Jan 16, 2024

It would be “nifty” if you had absolutely any control over it.

Mojojojo1993 Jan 16, 2024

Is there a timestamp ? I’m not watching a 1 hour vid.

Watt up and ossia have been around for a few years. Both have products on the ground. I have full faith in them. I understand that physics has a theoretically limit for power. More power requires more energy. Too much energy and you’ll burn a face off.

Yet these companies exist and have backers in the billions. Either they have a working system or they are great conmen.

pycorax Jan 16, 2024

Wouldn’t a power bank solve that issue? So far the airports I’ve been to usually have the power sockets completely hogged so I don’t even count on the chance that one is free. I usually bring along a power bank that gets me through 2-3 full charges of my phone.

histic Jan 16, 2024

really I’ve rarely seen airports that full even LAX but I also don’t travel during the busy times of the year

pycorax Jan 17, 2024

I am from Singapore so most of my flights are from Changi Airport which is quite packed I guess.

sabreW4K3 Jan 15, 2024

Charging extra for features of a £1000+ phone is hilarious. They really try and act like we’re getting them for free.

50MYT Jan 16, 2024

They want to be apple.

But they are not.

SpiceDealer Jan 16, 2024

Full disclosure: I didn’t read the article and only read the bulletin points. However, that last point really convinced me leave Scamsung. When I got my current S21 Ultra, I was bummed to find out that I couldn’t root it. I’m about to buy a Pixel 7 Pro and never look back.

🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱Jan 16, 2024

I can root my s23 ultra (from what I’ve read at least), however I choose not to because it would permanently break Knox and there would be no way of undoing that outside of replacing the logic board.

With that said, my next phone will probably be a Fairphone.

SpiceDealer Jan 16, 2024

Are you from the US or the EU/elsewhere? I ask because the reason My S21 can’t be rooted is because it the US/Hong Kong Models use Snapdragon CPUs. I don’t know if the same applies to the successors.

🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱Jan 16, 2024

I am in US. I went back and found the article I had seen before -> xda-developers.com/how-to-unlock-bootloader-root-… I also checked your version and it seems that only the Exinos and Hong Kong Snapdragon versions can be rooted -> xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s21-series-root…

SendMePhotos Jan 16, 2024

Things I want in a phone:

Decent camera
Aux Port - because I want the option
at least one mappable button
Expandable SD card slot
Debloated OS
good speaker phone
water resistant and drop resistant

My favorite phone in the last 10 years was the Samsung S8 Active, before that, the HTC One (front facing speakers). Before that, probably the Samsung FlipShot and LG Chocolate.

I miss innovation in phone designs. They’re all the same phone now.

Anyone have any recommendations for the US? I was thinking a fairphone but I think that’s UK only.

machinin Jan 16, 2024

After a couple of Redmi Note phones, I’m currently looking at Motorola. I need to see how ROM development is on their phones.

Gunpachi Jan 16, 2024

Motorola has been making a lot of midrange devices lately with Mediatek chipsets and I owned one for 2 years. My particular device (edge 20 fuaion) sold pretty well but there was no ROM development at all.

So pick one with a Qualcomm chip and you will probably have a good time. I Think the recent Moto Edge 40 pro got some Custom rom development lately.

Matt Jan 16, 2024

Sony covers most of those, but they are not cheap.

lemmyvore Jan 16, 2024

You can get last year’s model or the year before that cheaper. It’s not like there are huge differences year over year anyway.

Matt Jan 16, 2024

But Sony only provides 2 to 3 years of software and security updates, so getting an older model might not be the best idea either.

lemmyvore Jan 16, 2024

You can switch to a community ROM like Lineage when they stop. They’re A/B devices that support GSI images, you can install any GSI UI over the Sony firmware. In practice some of them support more features than others but they do work.

kahjtheundedicated Jan 16, 2024

Asus zenfone?

helenslunch Jan 16, 2024

Aux Port - because I want the option at least one mappable button Expandable SD card slot Debloated OS

These are user-centric features that stifle revenue for the corporations that make these things, and unfortunately consumers have told corporations that they don’t care enough about them.

madcaesar Jan 16, 2024

I’ll be leaving the Samsung ecosystem after 10 years. They simply don’t offer a phone for me anymore. I WANT an SD card, and waterproofing. And the A line camera is too shite.

I’ll probably get some Chinese phone next and give them a shot. Samsung can get fucked with the 1000$ phones that continuously remove features.

Maximilious Jan 16, 2024

Why not try a Pixel then? I'm on the S22 Ultra and already thinking of giving pixel a go on my next upgrade. They touted 4 years of support for this model but if they increase to 7 then I'll just need to wait and see what's out there at that time.

machinin Jan 16, 2024

They want an SD card

jzentGG Jan 16, 2024

@Maximilious @AlmightySnoo @madcaesar pixel all the way!

helenslunch Jan 16, 2024

Stop tagging people. It’s unnecessary and annoying.

jzentGG Jan 17, 2024

@helenslunch it automatically tags people. My bad.

kahjtheundedicated Jan 16, 2024

I think Sony and Asus still have phones with that stuff and a headphone jack

HidingCat Jan 16, 2024

Which Chinese phone does that? They were the first to copy Apple when they removed all that.

GiddyGap Jan 16, 2024

So, when is the camera tech finally going to be good enough to make the camera flush with the phone body?

Chriswild Jan 16, 2024

It is now. Just make the phone thicker instead of having a bump.

Mango Jan 17, 2024

Right? Add battery. Nobody cares to have their phone be a fashion model. We want it to last through the day.

Chriswild Jan 17, 2024

I was talking about this earlier but they could use lithium iron phosphate batteries where normally you need the battery life it would now let the battery go nearly 10 years before losing more than 85% of the chance capacity

Guest_User Jan 16, 2024

Any case should already make the cameras flush

Gallardo994 Jan 16, 2024

Miss me with that AI bullshit, just make the screen completely flat on S24U and I’ll be more than happy.

can Jan 16, 2024

Please. Who is interested in the curve anymore? I know they just do it for the people in the store.