Australia bans Nazi salute, swastika, other hate symbols in public as antisemitism spikes

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Australia bans Nazi salute, swastika, other hate symbols in public as antisemitism spikes - SLRPNK

>Australian lawmakers have banned the performance of the Nazi salute in public and outlawed the display or sale of Nazi hate symbols such as the swastika in landmark legislation that went into effect in the country Monday. The new laws also make the act of glorifying OR praising acts of terrorism a criminal offense. > >The crime of publicly performing the Nazi salute or displaying the Nazi swastika is punishable by up to 12 months in prison, according to the Reuters news agency. > >Mark Dreyfus, Australia’s Attorney-General, said in a press release Monday that the laws — the first of their kind in the country — sent “a clear message: there is no place in Australia for acts and symbols that glorify the horrors of the Holocaust and terrorist acts.”

Of course that dipshit has his shitty t shirt tucked in
Man i remember being an absolute dipshit ignorant child. I had that same butthead grin too. Time helped.

Oi fuck off mate.

Nothing wrong with tucking your shirt in. Go back to being some boomer curmudgeon.

Lol really touched a nerve there didn’t I? Boomer rapidly losing all meaning, those guys love tucking in their tees while rocking some white new balance.

I mean, I'm fine with that. That seems like something that should have been done a while ago.

It's when they try and extend such things to saying any criticism of Israel is illegal, like what Germany is trying right now.

Where did you get that from?

In Germany, debate rages over a state policy to support Israel, no matter what

As Gaza is bombarded by Israeli forces, a polemic is raging in Germany over a state policy that makes criticism of Israel blasphemous because it's seen as antisemitic.

https://www.courthousenews.com/in-germany-debate-rages-over-a-state-policy-to-support-israel-no-matter-what/

In Germany, debate rages over a state policy to support Israel, no matter what

As Gaza is bombarded by Israeli forces, a polemic is raging in Germany over a state policy that makes criticism of Israel blasphemous because it's seen as antisemitic.

Classic Germany. Goes from Nazist to Progressive so hard they ended up on the other side of the spectrum back in Fascist territory.

How can that be a classic behaviour? For one, they haven’t done it, as illustrated by hard they’ve cracked down on any racist behaviour since the cessation of WII. And wouldn’t they have had to have done it more than once for it to be a classic behaviour? They’ve literally been nazists once. They’d have to have been nazists more than once, and gone through the phases you’ve described for any normal person to call it a “classic”.

You know what is an example of a classic behaviour though? Internet “experts” who just trust what they’re given and don’t do any research about it. Like you’ve done. Want proof? Read the other reply to the comment you’ve replied to here. And if that’s not enough, explain to me why the German foreign minister hasn’t been jailed/charged/etc for these remarks.

Wow. You know absolutely nothing about current germany.

It’s a poorly written article that confuses with its wrong translation of “Staatsraison” and omits the classification of Samidoun as a wing of PFLP, declared a terrorist organization by both the EU and the US. Supporting terrorist organizations is illegal. People getting canceled does not necessarily mean they did something illegal, and there hasn’t been a discussion about criminalizing criticism of Israel. It is even allowed to say Israel has no right to exist, although it’s fortunately very unpopular.

Criticizing Netanyahu’s actions is very popular in Germany. It’s just true that the German government does not do that enough.

It’s a common “official” response from Western governments in light of justified criticism of the State of Israel’s policies on Palestinians. The idea is that Israel is perfect because it was founded by Holocaust survivors and they can do no wrong and anybody that questions that is a Nazi.
Germany is not doing that at all. Germans are just aware of their past and almost all will therefore be careful what they say and also point that out to other Germans. It is not forbidden to criticise Israel though and probably it never will be. Most Germans will just be the last to do it on their own individual initiative.

In Germany, debate rages over a state policy to support Israel, no matter what

As Gaza is bombarded by Israeli forces, a polemic is raging in Germany over a state policy that makes criticism of Israel blasphemous because it's seen as antisemitic.

https://www.courthousenews.com/in-germany-debate-rages-over-a-state-policy-to-support-israel-no-matter-what/

In Germany, debate rages over a state policy to support Israel, no matter what

As Gaza is bombarded by Israeli forces, a polemic is raging in Germany over a state policy that makes criticism of Israel blasphemous because it's seen as antisemitic.

It’s not a crime to not support Israel, just taboo and against stated policy. Policy isn’t law though
You’re not splitting hairs, you’re decoupling them.
I would not say it’s a taboo within the German population to speak out against the current Israeli government.

I think the timing would be a little problematic.

So for a while now Germany has had some laws that may have been overly strict in an abundance of caution over antisemitism. Then there’s a spike in antisemitism worldwide so Germany chooses to remove these law in this particular point in history? Why? Because people are so very angry at Israel right now they can’t think about anything rationally?

Nope. Why would it be taboo to criticise Benjamin von Papen and Itamar Ben-Hitler. The state is doing that, officially rebuking e.g. Ben-Gvir’s ethnic cleansing statements.
Um well, better not read German news media then…

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese condemned the reports of the chants as “horrific” and “appealing” at the time of the incident. ”appealing” You mean “appalling”, right? Hope that was a typo.

Solid typo on the side of CBS. Or, alternatively, a surprising amount of honesty from an Australian politician.
Like a gay fundie describing Chris Hemsworth: “horrifically appealing!”
There is a typo, he meant “terrific” not “horrific”
“Scaroused”

“No one in Australia will be allowed to glorify or profit from acts and symbols that celebrate the Nazis and their evil ideology,” the press release said.

Glad to see someone mention the Profiting part.

I’ve always suspected a lot of this was due to grifters stoking these A-holes up to increase sales of the flags, shirts, hats, etc.

The Brandon thing was a big boon to the Maga grifters as it created more new things one needs to collect to show your true level of being a Patriot.

You could then change out your Trump flag curtains for the Brandon stuff. Some are brave enough to change them out for the Nazis stuff when the time is right too. It completes the set when combined with the Southern Surrender flags as your curtains or bath towel.

I suspect that is also why their memes are quite slow to cycle trough. A lot of prolific figures need to sell their stock of stupid tat before they can move on to new things.

The Brandon thing was a big boon to the Maga grifters

Here’s a good one: I like to by small-time silver bullion, and ebay is actually a decent place for that. The first time I saw gimmick silver coins and bars with Trump’s face on them, I was like wtf. And even to this day, there’s some seriously wtf stuff out there all geared towards the maga persuasion.

It would be pretty comical, if it weren’t so crazy how much he’s being idolized. He’s being elevated to the level of Reagan worship, even before he’s been planted in the ground. I’m calling it now: After Trump croaks, the GOP is gonna try and pass a law to create a permanent federal Trump holiday.

I’m all for celebrating Trump’s death as a federal holiday. We can even call it Trump day. The traditional celebration should of course be a mass exodus to go piss on his grave.

While it would be really nice to have January 6th off of work every year, I unfortunately can’t get behind the creation of this holiday.

Perhaps a compromise? We celebrate the day Trump lost the election? The right can celebrate it the way they celebrate the death and rebirth of Jesus, while the left can celebrate it more like Festivus.

Good. We should do the same in the US too.
And Canada should as well.
The recent round of anti semitism incidents has nothing to do with nazis, though, I suspect the same in Australia, this is probably politicians bring politicians more than anything.

It’s not even antisemitism related.

My state did this already last year and it’s to combat the alt-right/white supremacists. Jewish people don’t really factor into it as much as their hate for Muslims.

Not really. Just look at the news.

Technically it is illegal here in Canada.

I work in set Decoration in Canada and dealing with Nazi paraphernalia has a whole documentation process. There’s a handful of prop houses in the States that traffics in the stuff and the paperwork to import it has to be very carefully handled or else it gets seized at the border. Once the stuff is owned by the production company it must be kept under lock and key when it is not onset and removing it from the set or the lockup without proper signed off on authorization is a firing offence.

It’s depressing that we have to jump through so many hoops for a stupid symbol that should have been relegated to a laughing stock of losers in the past.

Sadly, we’ve got a whole new wave of young losers with plastic / lead brain rot that made them susceptible to this shit.

Just look at those two morons in the article…

Hate speech is protected in America.
Yeah but that could, and should, theoretically change for stuff like this.

It very literally is not. If you’re referring to “free speech”, that’s a whole other thing.

Still, it is pretty patchwork and ambiguous. Almost got that flag-burning amendment though! Member that one? Before ‘gay marriage’ and ‘the war on Christmas’ we had ‘flag-burning’ as a very srs point of intellectual ‘discussion’.

Incorrect, the supreme court has many times over ruled “hate speech”, which doesn’t have a legal definition in the US, is protected under 1st amendment. Calling for violence is not.

I am free to say "I hate " without legal consequences.

Although I am technically free to say "Let’s [cause harm to] ", legal consequences could follow since call to violence.

Let’s change that then.

Where the first speech absolutists at?

No seriously, there are persuasive arguments for protecting speech that is utterly abhorrent… who remembers their John Stuart Mill well enough to chime in?

Where the first speech absolutists at?

They’re buying social media platforms and censoring speech they don’t like

They said free speech absolutists not posers

Now imagine Trump or someone like him is deciding what’s hate speech.

No. Fuck that.

Agreed. Hence the issue with “hate speech” in quotes.

When Is Offensive Speech Unprotected?

Speech which is merely offensive is always protected by the First Amendment. However, some types of speech which are often conflated with “hate speech,” but which go beyond expressions of opinion can, in limited circumstances, be unprotected by the First Amendment.

Let’s talk about incitement to violence and harassment.

(Tl;dr: incitement to violence and harassment are not protected speech)

When Can Speech Be Punished? A Primer on Unprotected Incitement to Violence - National Coalition Against Censorship

First Amendment exceptions in the wake of the riot on Capitol Hill. Legal protections for “hate speech” exclude incitement to violence.

National Coalition Against Censorship

I seem to recall that when southern states wanted to prosecute Martin Luther King, Jr for “hate speech” on the theory that his calls for equality amounted to anti-white racism, the way SCOTUS dealt with that was by punting on the question of what hate speech is or isn’t.

By taking the ‘hate speech’ stick away from states, the high court effectively ruled that Nazis had the right to rallies under the rubric of free speech. It was this optimistic dithering on the court’s part (surely, the way forward is free speech and everybody will use that in good faith right?) that is part of why the US’s stance on hate speech diverged from that of Europe and the commonwealth

The scary thing is, once we ban hate speech, who gets to decide what is hate speech? If it’s the current Supreme Court then hate speech will be discussing medical procedures with your doctor. So…

Idk, hate speech has been illegal in the UK for a long time. Race, ethnicity, sex, nationality, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation and religion are all protected under hate speech laws. The statues have been continuously updated since 1986 and we’ve still managed to not criminalise asking your doctor for an abortion.

I think I’d rather live with hate speech laws than without them, but if I lived in a country that couldn’t separate church from state, or in a dictatorship, I suspect my opinion would change.

Whilst I agree with the rest, I was under the impression that the Church Of England is deeply interwined with the state in the UK, down to there being bishops of it in the House Of Lords (not sure if they or not ended that last part some years ago).

Absolutelly, it’s not the Church telling the State what laws to do as in other countries, but it’s hardly separate from the state.

My understanding is the USA officially has separated church and state (as it’s written in the constitution) but in practice, the US is a fairly religious country. Politicians regularly talk about their religious beliefs, religious agendas affect state schools, and a large amount of population believe “pastors” over teachers.

The UK on the other hand is offically a Christian country but in reality it’s secular, or “multifath”. Politicians tend not to talk about their religious beliefs at all. Religious state schools are common and yet they tend to be more secular than American schools, and with the exception of a very few, schools here don’t deny science. People that do identify as Christian in the UK tend to be more progressive and tolerant than American fundamentalists/evangelicals/baptists.

As for there being COE bishops in the House of Lords, that’s correct. There’s 26 of them in fact. It’s an archaic, undemocratic hangover that really needs to be reformed. But despite their potential interference/sway, analysis of the way they vote on bills shows they tend not to rock the boat, voting in line with whatever political party is currently in power.

So despite America supposedly having separation of church and state and the UK not, it’s kinda the other way around in practice. Theres no excuse for bishops in the House of Lords though. I’m not convinced there should be a House of Lords at all.

Yeah, I’ve lived in the UK and although officially the Church Of England is a state religion, I didn’t saw any actual grand displays of faith or religion-inspired lawmaking.

I just found it interestingly somebody saying the UK has separation of Church and State when strictly speaking it’s almost the opposite, though de facto things are way closer to that than, say, in the US, much less countries which are openly all about one Religion such as Iran and Israel.

It’s a funny World.

In Canada restricted hate speech works like this :

It requires three parts.

  • It is publicly expressed (if it’s done in a private setting it isn’t chargeable)

  • It targets a person or group of people with a protected characteristic such as race, religion or sexual orientation (the protected grounds for discrimination are outlined in section 3 of the Human Rights Act)

  • It uses extreme language to express hatred towards that person or group of people because of their protected characteristic which means it counts when

    • Describing group members as animals, subhuman or genetically inferior

    • Suggesting group members are behind a conspiracy to gain control by plotting to destroy western civilization

    • Denying, minimizing or celebrating past persecution or tragedies that happened to group members

    • Labelling group members as child abusers, pedophiles or criminals who prey on children

    • Blaming group members for problems like crime and disease

    • Calling group members liars, cheats, criminals or any other term meant to provoke a strong reaction

    Punishment wise it’s about on par with a disorderly conduct charge… So about the same as being drunk and yelling your head off in a public place or running nude through the streets. Police aren’t likely to arrest someone for it unless the hate speech is obvious or well documented it and someone actively complains.

    Almost got that flag-burning amendment though! Member that one?

    What?

    Have you lived in the US since 2016? Sure as fuck feels pretty free.

    It very literally is not. If you’re referring to “free speech”, that’s a whole other thing.

    Yes it is. Hate speech is often used as the quintessential example of speech that is objectionable but still protected under the First Amendment.

    Nope. It is. Using racial slurs and displaying a swastika and sieg heiling is very much protected by the 1st Amendment.
    Should do the same in every nation on earth, nazism cannot be allowed to flourish again. The cost of life is too high

    I don’t think we should. I hate to say it, but I don’t trust our government (or any one, frankly) with the ability to ban speech. If the government can ban Nazis from speaking publicly, they can and will ban people who support other matters from speaking publicly. Ironically, the most probable example that comes to mind is banning pro-Palestine protests since many in the government already believe antizionists are genocidal.

    It’s already happened in Germany and France.