Japanese disaster prevention X account can’t post anymore after hitting API limit - The issue has arisen after major Tsunami warnings have been issued in areas of Japan following a strong earthquake

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Japanese disaster prevention X account can’t post anymore after hitting API limit - The issue has arisen after major Tsunami warnings have been issued in areas of Japan following a strong earthquake - Lemmy.World

Japanese disaster prevention X account can’t post anymore after hitting API limit - The issue has arisen after major Tsunami warnings have been issued in areas of Japan following a strong earthquake::undefined

Have multiple accounts and rotate through them with each post. But then you have to make sure all of your followers are following all accounts. It’s a shitty workaround but it’s a shitty platform to begin with.
One likely reason they’re still on X is so those that didn’t get the memo to use their app or otherwise can’t still can still get alerts. Switching to multiple accounts would require people who likely wouldn’t notice to follow the others, and those that would do that would hopefully have downloaded the app. And yes, if a person isn’t noticing they need to get the app they likely won’t notice a critical alert, but when you’re dealing with people’s lives everything counts.
Right, because it’s not on the platform to remain how it was. It’s now the users’ responsibility to completely change how they interact with the service so they can have the same functionality.

Why governments would ever use a private service for critical use baffles me.

Create your own emergency notification system!

Cell phones already have the emergency alert system they could just use that.

One thing I wish iOS/Android did was have the option for these emergency alerts to be multilingual, or provide some sort of auto translation. When i was in Japan in November, I received an emergency alert due to NK launching some missiles. It’s pretty scary to have your phone blow up with a loud alarm, and not being able to read the alert because it’s in Japanese. On iOS, you also can’t just copy the notification to translate it. I had to take a picture, and then have Google Translate translate it.

I was anticipating some big earthquake, but turned out to be a child playing with his rockets.

I’m able to take a screenshot and translate this comment in the photos app in iOS.

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You’re right, but that was my point, you have to take a screenshot and translate it. It wasn’t something I thought about when my phone was blasting out a loud alarm.

In those kind of emergencies, either it should’ve been auto translated to the users’ default language, or a quick translate option should be available.

Create your own emergency notification system!

Those never turn out well.

Running their own mastodon instance should be viable though.

I remember seeing that they did have a fediverse account? This seems related to that

Yup see here:

lemmy.ca/post/3167523

It’s also in the article linked above:

Luckily, the creators of the NERV App, Gehirn Inc, have created an app-based alternative for users to get information in real-time, as well as running a Mastodon account.

Japan Earthquake Alert App moves from Twitter to Mastodon, currently has 488k posts & 19.9k followers - Lemmy.ca

article headline: Japan Earthquake Alert App Says Sayonara to X cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected] [/c/[email protected]]/t/333398 [https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/333398] > Many people in Japan depend on the NERV service for earthquake alerts. Unfortunately, they’ll no longer be able to receive them on X.

Is Mastodon even viable for time sensitive information? You need to wait for your instance to propagate the post from their instance which can take time.
As opposed to waiting until next month for your API call limit to reset?

I’d suggest they join a system that has users, proper SLA and an open frontpage.

As much as you might like Mastodon for being open, there are no SLA between instances. Bluesky or Threads likely do.

Not saying they shouldn’t start their own Mastodon, but not for emergency and time sensitive things. Or just for people who can’t access those other services. More options also mean more reach.

They made their own: unnerv.jp/@UN_NERV
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Is Twitter/X viable for that? The can decide, and have, to randomly put information behind login walls.
They technically still have an SLA, but it’s unclear how much they respect it. And if X isn’t viable there are other platforms that are.

SLA? If that means something like “service level agreement” (I don’t know, you didn’t specify, I’m guessing) then I can still find examples where it falls well below what I would expect from a public service such that if there was an agreement in place that I would definitely be opposed to it as a tax payer.

And if X isn’t viable there are other platforms that are.

I mean yes obviously, there are much more viable platforms like Mastodon, or even a self-hosted website.

And again, which was the point of my original comment, Mastodon may not do great when you need to propagate the post to other platforms. Unless you know something I don’t, Mastodon is horrible for time sensitive information, since it can take hours to get to your instance.
The Los Angeles/ California earthquake alert system worked just fine today.

Does that go through regular EAS? Wondering.

FWIW, Japan does have emergency alerts on iOS and Android, same thing as the Netherlands and the UK.

Just mass send SMSs in a given area
It’s a secondary feature of a mysterious enterprise, unknown to americans, called “public media”
Remember when just about every government employee was carrying around a BlackBerry device for official business? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I remember when they all loved the Nextel PTT phones.
That’s different. They had signed contacts and were legally obligated to provide service. Twitter is a free service that can be turned off at any time, with no notice, and is run by a schizophrenic twat with a god complex. It’s just monumentally stupid to put lives on the line through a service like that.
They have one, but you also want information to be where people are. Especially if where people are is full of misinformation and rumours.
Japan has various earthquake notification systems. Tweets are just one more way to get the information to the people on a platform they use.

NERV isnt owned by gov and:

Luckily, the creators of the NERV App, Gehirn Inc, have created an app-based alternative for users to get information in real-time, as well as running a Mastodon account.

Because it’s often easier, cheaper, and more efficient in cases that mirror public needs. Alerting, SMS, cloud storage, all are solved and competitively priced. And don’t get me wrong, there ARE use cases for doing certain things custom or internally. There will need to be a mix of things.

The issue, is having an appropriate SLA and having the ability to hold companies accountable when it’s not met. You need stated provisions that won’t happen. Most commercial enterprises already operate under this model successfully, however many of the tools don’t have SLAs around an earth quake. Most companies are willing to provide those provisions but it totally will come with extra cost which is typically not budgeted or sales teams or contracting officers are not equipped to have these conversations.

Hate to say it but I would commonly get alerts from Twitter in the before times about local issues before I would get notified by my local government. Sadly they switched to encrypted radios so I can’t even keep up that way either these days

This same issue happened during wildfire season in BC, Canada if I recall. A small polite media outrage over it, then forgotten.

Best case scenario would be an independent, international system developed within and for the emergency services community worldwide. Judging by the way firefighters travel internationally to fight forest fires worldwide, the community could be strong enough to support a solution like that, in my opinion.

Canada added new charges to social media sites that made it expensive to host news, so they stopped linking to news to avoid the fees, and then the government whined about them not linking to news.

For reference, the article I’m referring to:

cbc.ca/…/twitter-policy-change-hampers-drivebc-1.…

“Social media’s reliability in emergencies questioned after Twitter limit blocks DriveBC posts” (Jul 12).

Whether a provincial traffic account posting emergency info counts as news links for these large companies or not, it’s a pretty ugly look for them to have been blocking emergency information, and it doesn’t look any better now 6 months later.

The whole thing is pretty typical (Canadian) government “not enough, and too late” -style regulation regardless, but these social media sites could think twice about playing the villain so readily in response.

Social media's reliability in emergencies in doubt after Twitter limit blocks DriveBC posts | CBC News

Concerns are being raised after B.C.'s Transportation Ministry found itself blocked from posting essential route and travel information during wildfire season this week because of a new Twitter policy.

CBC
Letting people senselessly get injured or die seems to be a common theme in Elon’s ventures, so I’m not all that surprised about this.
I remember reading that Twitter was pretty famous on Japan so that’s why they are still there.

The Evangelion app name is pure gold.

Fuck X and Musk.

What Evangelion app?
NERV is the name of the major organization in Evangelion. Gehirn Inc, the creator of this app, is the name of the predecessor to NERV in NGE.
Fyi, Gehirn is also a reference from Evangelion
The tsunami warning app is named NERV as the devs are big fans of Evangelion.
Well, they are no fascists so they can not expect preferential treatment from Elon.
well the Japanese Liberal Party has exclusively ruled Japan since WWII, and it might as well be considered a one party authoritarian state with a facade of democratic legitimacy. But yes, not strictly speaking fascist.
Don’t forget the center left social libs snuck a PM in there for like an entire 2 years, just in time to preside over a giant natural disaster and get ousted again
I did forget. 2 out of 78.
Netbooks reports the internet is down in that part of Japan, so…,
It’s not like anyone is dying over private social medias, right?
Countries should have their own Mastodon instances. Then again, you can’t trust governments.
You can trust them within a framework of expectations. Bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat, and it’s not a monolith. The level of mistrust should rise steeply with the level of money that can be made by being in a given governmental position. Do I trust rando post office employee? Sure, they’re just some schmuck with a job. Do I trust a congresscritter? Oh hell no.
Mastodon is a thing and they will own their instance.
Doesn’t help if people don’t use it.
That said, they should definitely stop using the thing formerly known as Twitter.
Use news outlets, public radio and TV and SMS alerts, those are “correct” ways of handling such situations, social media is not.
Shouldn’t they use every means in their disposal? I know for myself I don’t watch OTA or cable news, and I don’t listen to public radio. Sure, SMS alerts are great, but the more widespread the messaging, the better.
Well the obvious answer would probably be yes, but I’m not so sure. We shouldn’t make either institutions or people expect they can use and find this sort of information on social media, as social media is inherently unreliable for many reasons.

Mastodon can be used as a feed and integrated on websites easily. People can follow the latest news and reports about the disaster. They don’t need to use mastodon or follow them. People need to know this is the right place to go to for a live ticker about a dessaster with an easy URL like disaster.gov.jp.

On top of this, they are independent with their own instance and don’t rely on social media companies servers.

TV and radio are definitely not the right place anymore. Too many people live without them. SMS can be a thing. We

Mastodon can be used as a feed and integrated on websites easily.

OK that makes a lot of sense. ;)

I see no reason not to include social media in the mix.
Fun fact: Germany has a mastodon instance and is using it.

Which they already have

unnerv.jp/@UN_NERV

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