Rob Greene
Ben Higbie
Nicole ParsonsAI is worse than people who want a result with a press of a button.
AI is being developed for people who want ** other people's ** work with a press of a button.
It's automated slavery.
Aaron DeVries@BenHigbie art AI is photoshop with less steps. It can be used to help brainstorm or get ideas as a reference. But the raw outputs are not art, it's a photoshop amalgamation of others work. Use it as a reference tool like using Google images, but not to create a final product. I use GPT to help make simple scripts for my games or brainstorm concepts for writing. But I would never let it make a game for me or write a story for me. I still preffer paying real humans for art and script work anyway.
@Aaron_DeVries My main issue with it is how ugly it is. My second issue with it is that many people have accused me of using digital tricks like AI. I am a portrait artist and especially on FB, people are constantly accusing me of using photoshop or whatever. And they accuse me of being a scammer. It's like they arent aware that fine art schools exist and people attend them and study things like oil painting and anatomy drawing. Their first reaction when seeing a nice piece of art is 'scam'.
@BenHigbie that really sucks. Facebook is a cesspool at the best of times, but that's no excuse. I've seen a lot of artists getting accused of using AI when their portfolios extend back decades.
It's the people who accuse artists of trying to gatekeep that bother me the most. As if being an artist is guaranteed income, or no artists does what they do for any reason other than profit motive.
@Aaron_DeVries AI is a great way for talentless people with bad taste who are cheap and dont want to pay an artist to produce something of actual value to be able to feel they've created something.
@Aaron_DeVries Yea I dont even advertise on FB anymore on buy and sell sites cause I was just constantly trying to convince people accusing me that there was no digital manipulation or anything. I dont understand why so many people arent aware that there are still people who attend fine arts schools. There are fine arts schools, many of them, in every state. Dont these people know that like. people attend them? Like, wtf lol
Cyrus Gichohi@BenHigbie this is skewed and not accurate.
@bungu Welcome to Mastodon, I see you joined today
@bungu I am very proud that your comment above is the first post youve ever made on Mastodon, what an honor, mine was the first one your profile has ever commented on, that's so cool Cyrus.
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@BenHigbie i think it will be what photoshop was to photographers and graphic designers.
moss@BenHigbie image description: a tweet by chuck_wendig that says
"The allure of AI entices those people who fetishize ideas but dismiss the work. They're the people who tell writers, "I'll give you the idea, then you write it, and we'll split the profits." For them, the vision is everything, and the work is just an annoying obstacle. But the WORK is everything. The work is how a thing happens, where it's made, where skill is put to work. AI in creativity is for the people who have no skill, no work, no effort, no ethic.
They just want to push a button."
@BenHigbie this seems reminiscent of the whole idea that CEOs and the like somehow deserve to take most of the value from work that other people do. like the concept that because you came up with the idea of the business, you deserve the profits from it, even if you aren't doing the work to make it happen. the nightmare that AI is being used for is a natural extension of the kind of capitalist mindset that's been around since the gilded age at least
CavyherdJust had this convo with a coworker. We all share phone duties, & he absolutely hates this, bc it requires learning details that are not His Area Of Expertise (where he can Dominate everyone else, bc Expert).
He regards answering the phones as bullshit busy work that he shouldn't have to be bothered with. He totally misses that the objective is to push staffers to learn about the whole org. (Whether this is an effective strategy to that end is an entirely different discussion 😒 ) >
So of course when the question of scheduling when our team is responsible for covering the next period of heavy phone traffic, his suggestion! "Let's use chatbots! We can train an LLM!"
Completely missing that the time, effort, & expense (not to mention debugging & trouble-shooting) to actually DO that will be some whole number multiple multiple of just having staff do the damn work—all because Kevin can't be arsed to learn the material.
@cavyherd They want it to be like the magical thing that makes it so you never have to employ or pay a human being. Thats so weird lol I dont understand business people, theyre messed up.
Or Techbros, either. I mean, I get the impulse. "This is boring tedious work I hate." But trading that for other boring tedious work (though I could see where the Kevin in question would prefer training the LLM to, you know, making an effort to meaninfully help the human beings that call in for asssistance & information) developing a solution that will *maybe* help *somewhat* but based in my experience with chatbots, probably not....
Case in point: just spent a half an hour wrestling with Target pharmacy's phone bot trying to get it to let me talk to a human because Somebody did Something Creative with my prescription.
HOW the fuck are these things EVER helpful??
@cavyherd its such a nightmare . Its like a Franz Kafka novel, but real
And people want to do MORE of this nonsense. Because Profit! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
In fairness, when the transaction is simple & straightforward, automation works a treat:
Just called the pharmacy, 1st thing the bot said was: "Your prescription is ready for pick-up." Thanks! That's what I needed to know, & I'm happy not having to wait on hold & then soak up pharmacist time answering this question!
@cavyherd Yea I hear you. I like talking to people. I think that's at the root of my issue with it. I like their unique voices or whatever haha A human person will occasionally crack a joke with you during some kind of routine phone call and it can make you feel better if you were having a bad day.
On day a week, I am the person that gets talked to. Yes, we COULD do this with AI. But I've lost count of the number of times callers have expressed gratitude for being able to talk to a Real Live Flesh & Blood Humanâ„¢
Especially when they're stressed. Or confused. Or their question has some nuance to it....