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MicroWave Dec 30, 2023

A 14-year-old boy in California allegedly used ‘multiple weapons’ to kill parents, injure sister, police say

https://lemmy.world/post/10130562

A 14-year-old boy in California allegedly used ‘multiple weapons’ to kill parents, injure sister, police say - Lemmy.World

A 14-year-old boy has been arrested after allegedly killing his parents and severely injuring his 11-year-old sister at their home in a rural community in Fresno County, California, on Wednesday, authorities say. The suspect, who is not being identified because of his age, originally called the sheriff’s office after the double slaying and told them someone had broken into their house in Miramonte, attacked his family, and fled in a truck, Fresno County Sheriff John Zanoni said during a news conference Friday. Detectives later noticed inconsistencies in the boy’s story, according to Zanoni. “Evidence ultimately showed that he had fabricated the story of a break in and was responsible for using multiple weapons to attack his mom, his dad and his sister,” Zanoni said.

that guy Dec 30, 2023

Obviously we should ban all weapons because of this outlier case

ChicoSuave Dec 30, 2023

Yeah, we should. But let’s compromise and put safeguards in place instead. Like background checks, registration to monitor over eager purchasers, and generally restrict the ability of someone to take the life of a other.

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

In Canada we have gone to extreme lengths on gun control, specific to handguns. You can take a restricted firearms course, allowing you to own handguns, and other restricted arms.

The rules go something like this. If you own a handgun, the government can come and check on you at almost any time. You must keep it locked in a safe. You must keep ammunition in a separate room. If you plan to take the handgun to the range, or anywhere outside of your home, you have to contact the government for approval and establish a timeline.

I may not be 100% accurate on those laws but that is the gist of it. The idea is to cut down on firearm related crimes.

Now answer me this. How is that cutting down on crime at all, other than punishing lawful gun owners. How many people that caused death or injury with a handgun, took a PAL course to legally buy it? My gut says little to none. Those who commit the crimes buy handguns illegally.

It may be a sort of bias, but fuck me have there been way more shootings in my locale lately. Drug and gang related but still.

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

I completely agree the US needs to change some things but what I’m asking is are the 1.5-2 year old laws made in Canada actually cutting down on gun violence in Canada? Because what I see first hand is no change.

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

The laws you’re taking about are much older and the ones you’re thinking about haven’t been made law yet.

I linked an article that shows the actual numbers but I can’t do much about how you feel.

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

I mean this in the most polite and conversational way possible but what you are saying is wrong. October 21 2022 a national freeze on sale and transfer of handguns was placed. It is still in effect today unless you take a restricted firearms course.

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

If you own a handgun, the government can come and check on you at almost any time. You must keep it locked in a safe. You must keep ammunition in a separate room. If you plan to take the handgun to the range, or anywhere outside of your home, you have to contact the government for approval and establish a timeline.

All these laws were in place in 2019.

2022 changed some rules on buying or transferring ownership of restricted weapons.

Storing, transporting and displaying firearms | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

I stand corrected by several years, but again, I don’t think recent amendments 2019+ has reduced crime. Our government has taken lawful gun owners, and are trying to take their weapons away. No criminal who owned a handgun is going to go and turn in their weapon that they may use in a crime.

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

We’re talking about something entirely different then we started off taking about.

I’ll let you have this conversation by yourself.

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

We started off talking about whether recent Canada gun law amendments actually cut down on firearm crime. You then presented statistics about the US.

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

What’s the article this thread is based on?

You said US gun control won’t work because you feel Canada’s doesn’t. I showed you otherwise and you started to move goalposts.

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

I literally did not say that. I offered a conversation point to compare with what Canada has been doing and asked how it has cut down on crime

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

A lot of the laws you quoted were Canadian laws pre-2015, the article I linked was from 2019 which was to correct when you were saying previously.

Maybe familiarize yourself with the laws and when they changed, then see if you see differences because it’s hard to see what changed if you don’t know what you’re looking at.

Anyways, real world numbers from the first article I linked showed that Canada’s laws work better then the US ones.

Zaderade Dec 30, 2023

Between 2019 and 2023 the Canadian government issued a ban on “assault style weapons” including pistols shorter than 105mm in length.

Another commenter pointed out that law was to prevent them being stolen during break and enters which makes sense, but even then I’ve never heard of that happening. I’m sure it does in larger cities So back to the original question of did the change of law to give your newly prohibited weapons back to the government decrease crime rates?

SatansMaggotyCumFart Dec 30, 2023

Respectfully your understanding of the laws and timeline are confused.

Bill C-21 got royal assent December 15, 2023.

That’s about two weeks ago which might be why you haven’t noticed a difference.

The other article I linked from 2022 was just to do with sale and transfer of ownership.

All the laws that you stated in your original comment were all in place before 2015.

Legislation to reduce gun violence receives Royal Assent

Today, Bill C-21, An Act to amend certain Acts and to make certain consequential amendments (firearms), received Royal Assent.

Government of Canada

WoahWoah Dec 31, 2023

But what you’re not understanding is HE REALLY LIKES HIS GUNS AND YOU ARE BEING MEAN TO THOSE GUNS. Won’t someone please think of the 9mm handguns being mercilessly attacked here?? They have feelings and rights too.

You guys are nuts. I own zero firearms so I can take it or leave it. You putting words into my mouth is non helpful to the conversation. So why don’t we go back to my original comment, which asked are recent amendments to gun laws actually cutting down on crime in Canada. Instead of attacking why don’t you offer some anecdotal evidence like Mr cumfart over there instead of jumping into the echo chamber and attacking someone?