Canadian CroneDec 29, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom We need a #MatriarchalSociety
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 29, 2023
@CanadianCrone
The focus should be on the abolition of hierarchical structures, including both patriarchy and matriarchy. While addressing gender issues is important, a matriarchy could still perpetuate hierarchical power dynamics, contradicting the goal of achieving equality and autonomy for all individuals.
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 29, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom There are very few, if any, matriarchal societies upon which to base a judgement as to the value of a matriarchal society. #Patriarchy has failed miserably. #Matriarchy would be a great improvement that could very well lead to a more enlightened society. One that is not driven by personal power and greed. It’s time.
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 29, 2023
@CanadianCrone
Not ran by personal power and greed? Women are susceptible to the entices of greed and selfishness just as much as men. If you have a society and the only thing different is that women are in charge it'll be exactly the same, because there are economic and systemic reasons behind the oppression and suffering of the world; it's not just that men are dominant in society, but that any gender has dominance over the other, whether it be men or women.
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 29, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom This seems to be a case of transference.
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 29, 2023
@CanadianCrone
What exactly do you mean by "transference"?
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 30, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom transference is the unconscious projection of one’s subjective contents onto someone or something else.
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 30, 2023
@CanadianCrone What does that have to do with this conversation?
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 30, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom Your argument is based on transference.
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 30, 2023
@CanadianCrone
Do you mind telling me what exactly is incorrect about my argument in more detail?
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 30, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom your argument is based on transference so its validity is questionable. I can’t say it any more clearly than that.
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 30, 2023
@CanadianCrone
Are you saying that I'm wrong in saying that women are just as susceptible to greed and corruption as men and, therefore, a matriarchy would possess all of the inherent flaws of a patriarchy? And if so, why?
Show threadCanadian Crone
@Radical_EgoCom Your argument is based on transference. That means, you are projecting the subjective contents of your psyche onto something else. In this case, a #MatriarcialSociety. Insofar as your argument reflects your beliefs, then you are certainly entitled to them. However, as the argument applies to #Matriarchy, your argument loses its validity as it’s based on subjective beliefs versus reality. To be fair, no one knows how a #MatriarchalSociety would play out.
Dec 30, 2023 at 3:33pmWeb
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 30, 2023
@CanadianCrone
There was nothing subjective about what I've said. All I said was that both men and women were subject to the same entices of greed and corruptions, which is a fact, and that a hierarchy controlled by women would have the same problems of greed and corruption as a result. If you're saying that is subjective, then I'd like you to provide evidence that women are not subject to greed and corruption on the same level as men. Also, matriarchal societies have existed in the past.
Show threadLabrador GirlDec 30, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom @CanadianCrone When I was taking Women’s Studies classes in college in the β€˜80s, people often said that the world would be better with women in charge. Every time someone said this, I thought, β€œMaggie Thatcher.”
Show threadNicky🦨✌️Dec 30, 2023
@labradorgirl @Radical_EgoCom @CanadianCrone in the 90’s for me. I thought that unless we smash the patriarchy and start from scratch what we have is women leaders suceeding in the patriarchal system across all areas in society. It’s the same system so why do we expect women to behave differently than men? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 30, 2023
@skoombidoombis @labradorgirl @Radical_EgoCom That thought escapes many people.
Show threadViolet MadderDec 30, 2023

@CanadianCrone @skoombidoombis @labradorgirl @Radical_EgoCom

Or we could just skip all kyriarchy entirely, gendered or otherwise.

Show threadDavid Benfell, Ph.D. (he/him/his)Dec 31, 2023

@labradorgirl

You *still* see it occasionally. And of course your counterexample is spot on.

What troubles me is that people say it would be better with women in charge at the same time we insist that they should emulate the worst attributes of masculinity. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Show threadhammerDec 30, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom @CanadianCrone no, you said women are as susceptible as men and studies have disputed that.
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 30, 2023
@qualityhammer Your patience is admirable
Show threadhammerDec 31, 2023
@CanadianCrone i was busy working 😁 but that poster likes to make inflammatory and circular logic posts so I probably wouldn't have responded anyway 😜
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 31, 2023
@qualityhammer Still, you responded in admirable fashion.
Show thread𝗖 𝗔 𝗧Dec 30, 2023
@qualityhammer @CanadianCrone
I'm not sure by what margine women are less susceptible to greed/corruption than men, but I'm sure that it's not by such a significant amount that it would justify women to exclusively be in control of society and men to have no control. I'm in support of all people, of any gender, being in control of society, not the domination of one gender over another.
Show threadCanadian CroneDec 30, 2023
@Radical_EgoCom I can’t really add more to my original response. Perhaps an Internet search can help you better understand the rationale behind my argument. Either way, we can agree to disagree, right?