Erik Uden 🚩Hey Fedi Admins, y'all federating with this? 
#FediPact
#FediPact
Alexey Skobkin@ErikUden
Are you suggesting to block large instance just because there are some morons or trolls?
@skobkin No, I'm suggesting to defederate from instances who not only allow but endorse users who disobey your rules, especially when it comes to discrimination, disinformation, etc.
If Threads was a Mastodon instance it would violate almost every instance's rules.
@ErikUden
How exactly are they endorsing users to break their rules?
How exactly are they endorsing users to break their rules?
@skobkin they endorse users who disobey our rules by pushing accounts like Moms for Liberty, Gays Against Groomers, or other alt-right and far right accounts / viewpoints. They allow such users on their platform even after reporting, which means they are tolerating what they are posting.
Again, if this was a Fedi instance it'd be defederated.
@ErikUden
I see.
But still if it's their instance then your rules don't apply there.
Not sure how they can endorse someone to your instance users though.
Also not sure why ban entire instance instead of just suspending or limiting bad actors too.
It lowers an amount of moderation work needed, but degrades the decentralized network.
For me personally instance user's ability to read anyone is more important.
@skobkin have you ever run a social network? You're telling me I should individually ban each Nazi on the 141 million user social network instead of just defederating from the Nazi network all together? Sorry not sorry, but that's just not possible. Every Admin has a limited amount of time. If your instance isn't moderating discrimination it has no place interacting with our users.
Those were the rules for every other Fediverse instance, and we do not discriminate nor favor Threads in any way. They are to be treated like every other instance.
For me personally an instance's user's ability to not be harassed but protected is more important.
@ErikUden
Yes, I did.
We have reports to deal with that. You can say that reports are reactive and not proactive. But then you're becoming biased to a LOT of users just because they've chosen their instance without thorough due diligence.
Not sure how this helps to protect users because bad actor can register on your instance or any other instance you're still federating with 🤷
In the end you'll still be reacting to that after the fact.
Meowcate@skobkin
It's simple. If bad actors register on an instance you're federating with, you report it to this instance's admins. If they don't see the problem, you deferedate with them because they're going to let problematic users and content reach your instance.
If bad actors register on your instance, contact your admins. If they don't care, change instance for the same reasons.
Federation is a tool, not a duty. If you think "just report, block them, deal with it", that's X.
@themeowcate @ErikUden
> Federation is a tool, not a duty
> If you think "just report, block them, deal with it", that's X.
Ok, let's suppose that I have my own instance which I don't right now.
The only thing I don't think is that I have right to decide what users CAN read. If I feel that the instance can be malicious, I can LIMIT them, so bad actors from there won't reach my users on their own. But if my users WANT to read someone there, I shouldn't be the one to tell them if they can or not 
@skobkin
Yes, you can, you absolutely can. And if your users are not happy with that, Mastodon has tools to change instance : they're not forced to stay here as they'd transfer their account.
Your instance, your moderation rules. Like if you own a forum. A Discord server. A Minecraft server. You can even have an closed Mastodon instance for your work or a small group of friends.
This is not like others social networks trying to connect the whole world together *whatever the cost*.