MicroWaveDec 27, 2023

Court sees through Ron DeSantis’ lies behind his law banning medical care for trans youth

https://lemmy.world/post/10025192

Court sees through Ron DeSantis’ lies behind his law banning medical care for trans youth - Lemmy.World

A federal judge says that DeSantis was spreading lies when he called gender-affirming care “mutilation.” This year has been all downhill for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. His presidential aspirations are going up in smoke thanks to his complete lack of charisma and general campaign incompetence. His losing war against Disney is costing Florida taxpayers millions of dollars. Now a federal court all but called DeSantis a liar for the way he justified his ban on medical care for trans youth. DeSantis repeatedly claimed that the law was necessary to prevent youth from being “mutilated.” In just one example, he went after one reporter who questioned him about it when he signed the bill last May. “And when you talk to people and I know, like people in your industry will dress it up with a euphemism, and they’ll say it’s health care to cut off the private parts of a 14 or 15 year old,” DeSantis said. “That is not health care. That is mutilation.” Tell that to U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle.

Show threadyesmanDec 27, 2023

I think it’s wrong and bizarre that we cut the private parts of babies just because of a social trend started by a bunch of weirdos. That’s why medically unnecessary circumcision before the age of 18 should be regulated.

This is consistent with the tiny minority who view the practice as a covenant with God because you’re not allowed to enter into a contract as a minor in the US.

Show threadEatYouWellDec 27, 2023

Tbh, I think that irreversible sex change surgeries shouldn’t be allowed until the age of 18 (circumcision included). There’s a reason that we don’t let children do a lot of things, and that’s because their brain isn’t developed enough to make informed decisions.

There are a lot of things that I personally thought were a good idea in my teens that I definitely wouldn’t in my mid 30s, and I’m sure that’s true for most people.

Show threadcynarDec 28, 2023

This is the lie that is being told. No reputable doctor is doing this. You are right, a teenager can’t reliably make those sorts of decisions.

The optimal treatment is a combination. They give drugs that delay puberty, combined with intensive mental health care.

The drugs are because reversing the effects of puberty is hard and invasive. By delaying puberty, they can sidestep a lot of these issues. If the patient decides they were wrong, they can stop the drugs, and puberty will kick in normally.

The mental health care is to help them get a handle on what is actually wrong. It filters out those with other mental health issues, that could be helped better in other ways. It also allows those who want to go through with it to firm up their understanding of what it will entail, and what they need to do prior.

If, after all this, they still want to transition, they can start the process. They are at least now aware of what it will entail, and don’t have the baggage of their body lurching in the opposite direction to their mind.

Show threadEatYouWellDec 28, 2023
Yeah, for sure. I’m definitely not against hormones and mental health treatment. It’s just weird that “children shouldn’t be able to just get permanent, life altering surgery,” is a bad take around here.
Show threadcannibalkittehDec 28, 2023
It’s an uninformed take because these bans are preventing teens and young adults from accessing blockers and hormones.
Show threadEatYouWellDec 28, 2023
I never said I supported the laws blocking access to blockers and hormones. You’re the one who read more into my comment than what was there.
Show threadcannibalkittehDec 28, 2023
You need to clarify your point then, keeping in mind that you are in a thread about the state of Florida blocking access to puberty blockers and hormones.
Show threadEatYouWell

No, you need to not make assumptions. The comment I was responding to was discussing circumcision, and had nothing to do with blockers or hormones. I intentionally only brought up surgery.

Anything else was your assumption.

Dec 28, 2023 at 9:22pmWeb
Show threadNιƙƙιDιɱҽʂDec 28, 2023
Alex, what is “context”?
Show threadEatYouWellDec 29, 2023

The context was the comment chain that at no point mentioned anything but surgery.

If anyone took that to mean I was against all gender affirming care, they made a baseless assumption.

Show threadcannibalkittehDec 29, 2023

Your comment and several others you’ve made throughout this thread paint children as fickle, compare medical care to tattoos, and completely ignore that to even get treatments like blockers and cross-sex hormones is a multi-year process with a team of physicians, endocrinologists and therapists.

Hell, if you want to talk about surgery alone, the adult requirements are documentation from two therapists that you have persistent dysphoria, along with your primary physician before a surgeon will even schedule for a consult, from there, you go on a wait list that can span multiple years. For under 18s, the process is even more rigorous, requiring longer documentation, and wait lists often push back care past 18.

Put simply, I don’t believe you.

Show threadEatYouWellDec 29, 2023

I don’t care if you don’t believe me. You’re drawing the wrong conclusions because you’re expecting me to be against hormones and blockers. You’re almost using that argument as a strawman.

You are wrong. All I said was children should wait until they’re an adult before undergoing life altering irreversible surgery. Full stop.