As the Dishwasher Man, but not necessarily known here for being the Dishwasher Man, here's a short thread to explain my whole thing about detergent pods:

Dishwashers are simple machines. They fill with a small quantity of water, use a pump to force that water through spray arms, and those arms spray your dishes with the water. That's really all that's happening at a very basic level.

Key to making this actually clean your dishes is chemical detergents to break down food stuff.

Now, over the course of a cleaning cycle, your dishwasher will fill with water, pump it around for some time, then drain it several times. Every time it drains, it's getting rid of food debris the water picked up.

But it's also getting rid of whatever detergent is in the water.

This is why your dishwasher has a detergent dispenser: it wants to wash for a short while to get the big food chunks off and pumped away before it spends the bulk of its time washing with soapy water.

If it didn't have a way to hold detergent back and release it later, it would all be gone after the first fill and drain (which is known as the pre-wash).

Now, because the people who made dishwashers are smart folks, they know that ideally there should be at least some detergent in that pre-wash. That's when the plates/cookware is at its very dirtiest, after all, and adding a little soap to break down those oils would help.

That's why this dispenser has a divot in the lid. It's for that.

This dishwasher spends 10 minutes washing, then drains and fills again before it opens that dispenser.

So if you use a detergent pod, those first 10 minutes of washing will be done with nothing but water.

Now, that can still do a lot! And you may be having fine results with your pods. But by not tackling the fats and oils in the first fill, the detergent has to work harder in the main wash cycle. Encapsulating oil particles uses it up and makes it less effective.

So this is why I have a beef with pods/tablets/what have you.

They're more expensive for a product that only kind of respects how dishwashers work. A product that explicitly prevents you from experimenting to see how far you can stretch your detergent. A product which encourages mindless consumption with extra packaging, to boot.

Or you could just get a paper box with some powder in it for $5 and it'll last you months.

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@TechConnectify I agree with everything that you've said.

And yet, for whatever reason, our dishwasher _refuses_ to clean anything with powder.

It's bothered me for months. It doesn't make sense. But literally the only thing that gets us clean dishes is pods.

I've tried replacing parts (there were some that were in sore need of it when we moved in), flushing out the arms, I even cleaned out the pump.

Nothing, unless we use pods. It's ridiculous.

@b4ux1t3 there are bad powders out there. And, funnily enough, Cascade powder is (for me, at least) consistently worse than Walmart brand.

Does make me wonder why...

@TechConnectify We even tried a few different powders! And gels!

I've honestly considered replacing the dishwasher out of principle. It's like it's _trying_ to waste money.

@b4ux1t3 to be honest, this does smell to me like your dishwasher is either terrible or on its last legs.

You may have a weird flavor of water with a certain hardness profile too, though. Hard to say.

But in all my time on this Earth I've only had one dishwasher in my life that didn't wash dishes well. All others, including some really shitty ones, did fine with the cheapest powders you could get.

@TechConnectify I wouldn't be surprised if the water were the culprit. I'm not overly enthused about our local water company.

This thread has made me come to terms with the fact that I need to just be on the lookout for a good holiday sale on dishwashers in the coming months

@b4ux1t3 We had a problem with our water and the dishwasher that was completely solved with a water softener. Before we got the water softener, we only had success with liquid detergent. (We had a powdery residue on our dishes every time with other detergents; kind of looked like soap scum or something.)

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