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Young voters right now overwhelmingly prefer Biden: The Economist/YouGov poll

https://lemmy.world/post/9812045

Young voters right now overwhelmingly prefer Biden: The Economist/YouGov poll - Lemmy.World

Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday. In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump. Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.

It's Maddie!Dec 21, 2023

Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who’s not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!

EasternLettuce Dec 21, 2023

Biden is literally trying to destroy the future. He has personally approved many new fossil fuel extraction sites including a pipeline that climate scientists have dubbed a climate time bomb

Lasherz Dec 21, 2023

Trumps stated first step is to “drill drill drill” so please explain why this isn’t an effort to dissuade from the better option?

EasternLettuce Dec 21, 2023

Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment? Your argument is a straw man. The OP said that Biden was not trying to destroy the world. I informed him that Biden is trying to destroy the world, simple as that.

ZzyzxRoad Dec 21, 2023

Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment?

No one said you did.

joenforcer Dec 21, 2023

Biden isn’t trying to destroy the world. Everything isn’t black and white no matter how much you want it to be. We’re back in the Paris Climate Accords despite how the man-baby in the previous administration pulled out because Obama.

I mean, if you want to argue that we are going to destroy the world no matter what, we could speedrun it by electing the fascist who wants to destabilize the entire world by pulling out of NATO. I however would prefer to live out the remainder of my natural life instead of nuclear Armageddon deciding for me.

brain_in_a_box Dec 22, 2023

Biden is absolutely trying to destroy the future, just much, much slower than the Republicans.

It's Maddie!Dec 21, 2023

Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who’s not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!

jeffw Dec 21, 2023

9% said they wouldn’t vote, but how many actually won’t bother going to the polls?

It’s true that abortion drove out young voters, but I’m interested to see how long that bump goes on for

Lasherz Dec 21, 2023

Won’t bother implies that it’s an easy thing to do, but this isn’t true of many underprivileged people. Next election will only be worse as restricting people’s waterbottle access and eliminating polling stations had just begun during the midterms and hadn’t been tested on the biggest scale elections yet.

Ensign_Crab Dec 21, 2023

It’s true that abortion drove out young voters, but I’m interested to see how long that bump goes on for

I’d guess until it becomes clear that Democrats don’t intend to fix the problem.

jeffw Dec 21, 2023

Except they have been, on a state by state basis, which is really the only legal way besides amending the US Constitution, which won’t happen on this issue.

Ensign_Crab Dec 22, 2023

So abortion bans are going to remain a Red State Problem forever. Got it.

jeffw Dec 22, 2023

Can’t tell if that’s sarcasm or not? But pretty much

Ensign_Crab Dec 22, 2023

Cool. I’ll just file “10 year olds being forced to bear their rapists’ offspring” with all the other Red State Problems that the national party has no plan or desire to fix, ever.

jeffw Dec 22, 2023

I’d love to hear your ideas to fix it when it’s unconstitutional to do so. Short of amending the constitution, what are the options?

For the record, no party has proposed a viable solution, regardless of how mainstream that party is

Ensign_Crab Dec 22, 2023

I’d love to hear your ideas to fix it when it’s unconstitutional to do so.

Well, once we have a majority of any size, we kill the filibuster. We use our majority to supersede the judiciary act of 1869 and increase the size of the Supreme Court. We then put additional justices on the supreme court and repeal Dobbs, thereby reinstating Roe.

Then we codify Roe so Republicans will have a harder time getting rid of it. Then we have a popular accomplishment to run on, a majority not hamstrung by the Jim Crow Filibuster, and a Supreme Court that isn’t ruling in bad faith against the American people.

Or we continue to timidly do nothing, or worse, blame the victims because they live in red states and therefore need to suffer for committing the sin of being outnumbered.

jeffw Dec 23, 2023

Ah, court packing by one side. What could go wrong when the other side regains control?

Ensign_Crab Dec 23, 2023

Ah, court packing by Republicans. Let’s sit back and do nothing when it happens.

jeffw Dec 23, 2023

Sorry, ig I was hoping for a realistic idea. We could also murder every GOP member of congress. Plenty of implausible ideas out there

Ensign_Crab Dec 23, 2023

You’ll dismiss all ideas but “give up” as unrealistic.

reddig33 Dec 21, 2023

Every week it’s a different poll with a different result and a different headline. All I’m learning is that these polls are meaningless.

gdog05 Dec 21, 2023

Not all polls are meaningless. But there are a ton of meaningless polls that get an inordinate amount of attention. And I believe the overall goal of that is to make people think they’re all meaningless.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod Dec 21, 2023

There haven’t been many disasters and the news orgs need the clicks

prole Dec 21, 2023

Man, the level of statistics illiteracy here is out of control. I hope y’all are just literal children that are still in pre-algebra or something.

tacosanonymous Dec 21, 2023

Young voters are being given really shitty choices.

Guy Dudeman Dec 21, 2023

Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.

z3rOR0ne Dec 21, 2023

This…just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.

prole Dec 21, 2023

Wow you guys are so original 🙄

z3rOR0ne Dec 21, 2023

We totally are. thanks.

Xhieron Dec 21, 2023

What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the–let me check my notes here: oh, right–Nazis in the other party hadn’t sued to prevent him from giving away money.

I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks’ first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.

ComradeSharkfucker Dec 21, 2023

Brother he’s basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening

Flying Squid Dec 21, 2023

Unlike that peace-lover Trump who only cares about the welfare of the Palestinian people, right?

Chakravanti Dec 21, 2023

You misspelled Russia.

Ensign_Crab Dec 21, 2023

Centrists falsely interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump. It’s dishonest.

samus12345 Dec 21, 2023

And realists know that bashing Biden with no nuance, as these comments are doing, does nothing but benefit Republicans.

Ensign_Crab Dec 21, 2023

Centrists just want everyone to their left and only their left to shut up.

go_go_gadget Dec 21, 2023

Then what you’re telling us is there is no opportunity for improvement… Clinton was 30 years ago and Biden is to the right of Clinton. Three decades of “incremental progress” has gotten us nowhere.

Ensign_Crab Dec 21, 2023

It’s gotten centrists where they want to go.

go_go_gadget Dec 21, 2023

Towards fascism?

Ensign_Crab Dec 22, 2023

I mean, you can only appease fascists for so long before it starts to look like collaboration.

ZzyzxRoad Dec 21, 2023

interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump

When you don’t vote, therefore allowing Trump to win the election…then yeah.

Equating the above with “all criticism” is what’s dishonest. Plenty of people criticize Biden who voted for him once, and they are still voting for him again. But you know that. We might not like him but believe it or not, we dislike fascism even more. Crazy, I know.

ComradeSharkfucker Dec 22, 2023

My criticism of Biden is totally my endorsement of trump for sure

Flying Squid Dec 22, 2023

Do you have the name of a third person who has a chance of being elected in 2024?

ComradeSharkfucker Dec 22, 2023

? So I should just love Biden? I don’t understand what you mean. I never said anything about voting did I?

Flying Squid Dec 22, 2023

This is a thread about young voters and their willingness to vote for Biden.

So if you weren’t talking about voting, were you just changing the subject to talk about what you wanted to talk about? I’d say that’s pretty discourteous to the person who posted this.

ComradeSharkfucker Dec 22, 2023

I was responding to a comment, that was basically it. I was expressing dislike for a presidential candidate in a thread about presidential candidates

ComradeSharkfucker Dec 22, 2023

Also I came back to say this. How do you not see Biden and Trump being our only feasible options as inherently undemocratic? People only like them in comparison to the other. We should not be forced to choose between two objective evils. Are you so resigned to stagnation that you think continuing to enforce a system that exploits is the best option?

Flying Squid Dec 22, 2023

What should or shouldn’t happen is not relevant to reality.

The reality is no one is going to change the fact that either a Democrat or a Republican is going to be president in 2024

I notice you couldn’t name any other viable options. I think that means you realize that.

ComradeSharkfucker Dec 22, 2023

Yes I realize that. It’s painfully obvious and it’s fucked. However I don’t think this can be changed by voting for the lesser evil who is constantly getting more evil

Flying Squid Dec 22, 2023

Again- there are two viable options. A Democrat or a Republican. What does voting for anyone else accomplish? Did voting for Perot change the status quo in 1992? Did voting for Nader change the status quo in 2000? No.

If you want to do the self-congratulating, performative act of voting for someone who has no chance of winning, go for it. If I felt that way, I just wouldn’t vote because it would make the same amount of difference but I wouldn’t have had to make an effort. Either way, the only one who will know what you did is you.

Nudding Dec 21, 2023

It doesn’t really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.

SandbagTiara2816 Dec 23, 2023

I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?

But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.

Nudding Dec 23, 2023

One will kill us faster than the other. Great.

Rolder Dec 21, 2023

He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.

Ensign_Crab Dec 21, 2023

He didn’t have those issues in his first two years. His own party blocked his agenda.

Rolder Dec 21, 2023

Wel the first two years we had the fuckheads Sinema and Manchin who are basically republicans at this point

Ensign_Crab Dec 21, 2023

Sinema didn’t kill the minimum wage increase by herself. She was one of 8 democrats to vote against workers.

Manchin is the perfect centrist Democrat.

prole Dec 21, 2023

Maybe pay attention to what’s actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.

Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.

Anyone who thinks he’s senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O’Brien’s podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I’ve ever seen Trump.

PopOfAfrica Dec 21, 2023

I don’t think he’s senile, I just think he’s out of touch. It’s hard to be in touch as an 80-some year old man.