cpwDec 19, 2023

I have a question for fediverse heads. Threads is federating with a bunch of the fediverse, but a lot more are "oh noes, EEE!!!!!!!?!" and actively blocking it. Which seems counterproductive, and quite a bit scaremongery.

Does anyone have an actual instance where Embrace Extend Extinguish actually worked? I mean, sun sued MS for it over Java and as far as I can tell Java is still doing fine. They wanted to EEE Linux too, back on the day. Again, seems to be doing fine....

Show threadazenet Dec 19, 2023
@cpw google talk is a pretty decent example imo (and the facebook one did a similar thing), they had xmpp support and just phased it out while it had high use and reportedly in some cases dropped incoming xmpp messages, not delivering them to the recipients
Show threadcpwDec 19, 2023
@ashka did you ever use xmpp? Because I did for years. It was SHIT. I was actively looking for better alternatives when stuff like matrix came along. Also xmpp is very much still alive so how is it extinguished exactly???
Show threadazenet Dec 19, 2023
@cpw oh yeah I've used it for something like 10 years! and it is garbage, matrix isn't perfect but I'm glad it exists. The EEE part is how a big userbase lost link to gtalk users and the only way to get in touch with these users was to use a google account directly
Show threadcpwDec 19, 2023
@ashka that's not EEE tho. It might have been the tipping point for a few people, like me, to actually ditch and modernize, but it didn't extinguish anything. It extinguished itself by being shit and stuck in a design that was laughably outdated, with poor quality open source server software that never updated and was getting harder and harder to keep secure. That doesn't sound a lot like EEE to me.
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@cpw yeah I guess that's fair. maybe rss when google reader closed and they pushed people to google news instead? I'm trying to broaden the range of the EEE thing because otherwise it can be super specific and I can't think of an actual thing that got EEE'd on the spot (and I'm probably biased on the rss thing)
Dec 19, 2023 at 1:20amWeb
Show threadcpwDec 19, 2023
@ashka that's kinda my point. Open source open spec stuff is effectively immune to EEE. The examples that come closest are the java stuff by MS back in the 90s. That WAS a clear attempt to break Java. J++ was a very real threat and I remember people discussing it in meetings at the Java company I was working at at the time. It didn't work. Most actual EEE is actually just competing closed source products where one just eats the other because of feature copying and shit. And you never hear about.