TheEighthDoctor‘All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning.’
Is this referring to “races” as we see it these days, or to the root races of theosophy as described by Madame Blavatsky?
It’s a fucking Hitler quote. Do we really need to analyze it for nuance?
Hey, at least the guy had the guts to kill Adolf Hitler - a notorious war criminal I’d like to add!
Yeah but he had the means and opportunity the entire time. He was a coward.
That’s kind of what studying history is.
“Just asking questions”
There’s a difference. It wasn’t a Tucker question, in my opinion. They were asking for a time reference, because, while bad either way, knowing chronological context makes a huge difference in understanding the whole.
Knowing and understanding are equally important
“We need to understand the racists better”
Well kinda yeah. If you know where the hatred comes from you have a better chance to turn it around.
Your favorite Nazi: “and I was just living day-to-day calling for the death of minorities. Then one day on lemmy some one thought to ask, ‘which variety of racism do you suscribe.’ That right there changed everything for me. Someone really wanted to understand why I have murderous rage. I still have that murdous rage but I got to talk about too! So remember everyone my ideas deserve your consideration.”
douglasg14bUh… Yes?
Do you really believe you can defeat and enemy you do not understand?
What kinda new age nativity is this???
There’s a time and place to discuss what the NAZIs truly believe, a clan meeting maybe? Instigating them in the public square only give them a platform to be awful.
Bullshit. Walling off parts of history and the beliefs that informed them as some kind of forbidden knowledge is never going to end well. Bad ideas die in the light of clear-sighted intellectual scrutiny, not in the darkness of an imposed blackout.
It’s OK to admit that you are mistaken. There’s no shame in it and in fact, to the contrary, it will redound to your credit.
Nope. I didn’t wall off anything. I simply am not going to engage bad actors and you would be better off if you didn’t either.
Anyone is free to look up the information themselves. Lemmy is not a fact checker; primary source; moderated debate forum; etc.
You are thinking way too far into this… it wasn’t even a gotcha question. Like if he was asking something like “Do we have any proof that X happened?” I’d be on your side… but a question about understanding the mindset of a fascist authoritarian is extremely useful information. Especially right now.
And yeah, Lemmy is none of those things, but it shouldn’t have to be. It’s literally a place for discussion.
You might know something is bad, but the more you can articulate why, the better chance you have to change someone’s mind. Shutting down discussions about bad things just makes you come off as a frightened, tribalistic child.
Talking about Nazism does not equal platforming Nazis.
In this case I responding because the person was getting downvoted and they edited their comment to ask why. They wanted to know, I told them. They sound like a Nazi to me.
You’re getting downvoted, but I’m not picking up the “just asking questions” vibe.
In context that quote is about race mixing. I had never read the book until I searched for that quote, and the author is, essentially, claiming human achievement is the result of a few hyper capable people, and everyone else is simply benefiting from their ideas.
Leading up to that quote the author is saying “species” (and I’m assuming in earlier chapters the claim is made that humans are not a single species) shouldn’t interbread because one is always better than the other, and therefore the offspring won’t be as “good” as the better parent.
So in context this is essentially saying the death of every culture happened because less “quality” humans started breading with the “quality” humans.
Which is hilarious, because after reading a handful of pages from this book I can only assume Hitler is the dumbest mother fucker whose ever existed.
Yes I was asking because there is this supposed connection between Hitlers’ ideas and Occultism, especially Blavatsky’s ideas. Theosophy has this concept of root races, basically superior humans from lost civilizations (like Atlantis), so when I saw the quote I thought it could be interpreted both ways, the normal racist way, that white people are superior, yada yada, or the occultist racist way that these lost races that had basically superpowers were losing them because of mixing with “normal” inferior humans.
I only know the basics of both of these authors, so I asked because maybe there would be someone more versed in the subject. But apparently just the mere thought of exploring the historical figure of Hitler makes you a nazi.
Dumb people say dumb things. My guess is there are a lot less dumb people now than there ever has been.
I’ve never read any of those authors. Sociology has never really interested me, but good for you for learning history and studying what interests you.
Like, if you’re looking to engender yourself to someone common hatred is surprisingly effective. People inherently trust others who agree with them, and shouting loudly you hate Nazis is a cheap and easy way to gain points to the crowd they’re trying to gain favor with.
My take is if you’re so unconfident in your ability to discuss you resort to shouting you hate Nazis, you’re probably a moron. It’s like saying “I disagree with anyone who even SUGGESTS drinking rat poison.”
Like yeah, no shit.