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Biden campaign: Trump ‘parroted Adolf Hitler’ in remarks targeting immigrants

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Biden campaign: Trump ‘parroted Adolf Hitler’ in remarks targeting immigrants - Lemmy.World

The Biden campaign fiercely denounced Donald Trump following his caustic remarks aimed at immigrants Saturday, saying the former president “parroted Hitler.” “Tonight Donald Trump channeled his role models as he parroted Adolf Hitler, praised Kim Jong Un, and quoted Vladimir Putin while running for president on a promise to rule as a dictator and threaten American democracy,” Biden-Harris 2024 spokesperson Ammar Moussa said in a statement. Trump on Saturday ratcheted up his already inflammatory rhetoric on immigrants at a rally in New Hampshire. “They’re poisoning the blood of our country,” the former president said. “They’ve poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world. Not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world they’re coming into our country from Africa, from Asia.”

Drinvictus Dec 17, 2023

The scariest part? This guy is polling above Biden

hydroptic Dec 17, 2023

He’s definitely going to win, fascism is way too popular

rdyoung Dec 17, 2023

I wouldn’t throw in the towel just yet. When was the last time a sitting democratic president lost the second term, with a strong economy? Plus the entire 18+ demographic waking up thanks to the attack on reproductive rights, on trans, gay, basically anything other than white males.

With the number of criminal charges trump is facing I would be surprised if he gets anywhere near this next election. All it takes is one or two states declaring him unfit under treason and sedition and he has zero chance of winning even with the electoral college being borked.

Flying Squid Dec 17, 2023

If he’s found guilty in Georgia, even if he doesn’t do time, I think it’s very unlikely he will be on the Georgia ballot, which will cost him 16 electoral votes he would have otherwise been almost guaranteed to win.

rdyoung Dec 17, 2023

And then all we need is other states like Michigan, California, etc to not let him on and they will have to run someone else who isn’t a treasonous traitor who sold/gave away secrets to Russia, NK, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

There was a day not long ago when the entire republican party would be calling for trumps head and want him strung up in the middle of town. Now there are no crimes they won’t ignore if it means getting the dems and making as many people suffer as possible.

Flying Squid Dec 17, 2023

Their only position now is “whatever Democrats want, we want the opposite.”

rdyoung Dec 17, 2023

Exactly. During Obama they reverted to being obstinate toddlers. Ideas that were originally their idea were all of a sudden the worst thing ever because Obama said it.

deft Dec 17, 2023

Feels by design at this point

Flying Squid Dec 17, 2023

It’s always been by design.

kent_eh Dec 18, 2023

think it’s very unlikely he will be on the Georgia ballot

Honest question from a foreigner: is it possible for the electoral college select a write-in candidate?

If so, Trump not being on the ballot may not be enough to keep him out of power.

Jwin Dec 17, 2023

All valid points, but don’t forget the Republican party has been working for over a decade through gerrymandering to ensure they won’t lose an election. They are close to their goal. If ranked choice were national and popular vote had any weight then gerrymandering would be less effective. Until then it’s close to a gamed election system.

rdyoung Dec 17, 2023

If this was 100% foolproof trump wouldn’t have lost the second term.

Remember that for decades Republicans only win via the electoral college not the popular vote. We have the perfect recipe for a sweep of the federal and state governments so long as we can get the younger generations out to vote.

I saw something the other day about a republican strategist saying that it’s likely they will lose the house or senate iirc. Trump and company will be the downfall of the republican party. Assuming Biden wins again hopefully we will go after the bullshit hardy and put the final nail in that parties coffin. Biden can’t order or even suggest anything now because it would not be good optics.

captainlezbian Dec 17, 2023

Yeah the last Republican to win both terms by popular vote was Ronald Reagan. The last Republican president to never win without winning the popular vote was George H.W. Bush, and he was so long ago that he campaigned on ending global warming as a Republican.

rambaroo Dec 17, 2023

People don’t think the economy is strong right now. Wages still haven’t caught up to the last few years of inflation.

MagicShel Dec 17, 2023

A year is a long time. Look at the labor market right now. Companies are crying for workers and desperately trying not to raise wages. Big companies are laying people off because they are getting squeezed to show continued unsustainable growth but that is self-sabotage in the long run - investments will flow to new competitors who have room to actually grow. But the UAW prevailing and the writer’s guild prevailing are bellwethers for the future. The workers are collectively demanding more even if most of us aren’t organized into unions.

The economy isn’t as weak as people think and improving, so the environment is ripe for wages to rise and people to catch up with the reality. That’s all my interpretation anyway. I’m quite positive about the next year. We’ll see, but I think it’s way too early for any doom and gloom.

Trump is certainly a huge threat, but Biden beat him once and it’s likely barring an economic downturn that he will lose again. Never in the history of the United States that I can find has a presidential candidate ever lost an election and then come back to defeat the same opponent they lost to the first time. That’s a comfort when I’m feeling stressed about it.

rdyoung Dec 17, 2023

Feels don’t beat actual numbers. Tbe economy is bouncing back strong from the pandemic. As another comment said, everyone is hiding. They haven’t all (yet) broken and increased wages enough to bring in enough talent but it’s slowly getting there. It’s been a few years now since wmt, tgt and others increased starting to like $15/hour. That’s not enough to retire on but it’s a start.

kent_eh Dec 18, 2023

That’s not a uniquely American situation at the moment.

Adub Dec 17, 2023

Heck yes!

I live in a deep red rural area and the MAGA flags and others are out of vogue(granted they were Cheap AF & ruined quickly). I’m not seeing the energy. Even the perennial die-hard “but democrat x bad” have lost their desire to trumpet even a pro-republican slogan. They will vote and most won’t change their mind but they are seriously deflated with nothing to rally around with Trump’s “retribution only” campaign.

I agree many of the news organizations have changed leadership & most of them are clamoring to get back the audience they had from previously or seeking to “shift tone”.

Jakdracula Dec 18, 2023

On Saturday I drove from Atlanta to Highlands NC for a funeral. Had to drive thru Deliverance Country - exactly where it was filmed - to get there. I passed a Southern Heritage Museum and Gift Shop with a giant Stars & Bars billboard, and numerous TRUMP 2024 SAVE AMERICA! giant banners.

Thankfully I don’t have stickers on my car identifying me as a “librul,” and my license tag says Cobb Co which is still a pretty red part of metro ATL but people in those rural areas probably think anyone from “the city” is a “librul”.

The Trump garbage is still everywhere, at least here, and it’s not going away. I am happy to hear you’re seeing less of it.

Adub Dec 18, 2023

You live in a purple state that MAGA thinks was stolen, so it makes sense that keeps them motivated. I’m talking from a deep red state experience here. They are not gone or banished for sure but have become on par to Southern Heritage territory so checks out.

RobertOwnageJunior Dec 17, 2023

He is not definitely going to win. What a shit take. Vote. Tell other people to vote.

TheSanSabaSongbird Dec 18, 2023

Defeatism is even worse than neutrality.

hydroptic Dec 18, 2023

Well, let’s hope Americans prove me wrong. Won’t hold my breath.

TheSanSabaSongbird Dec 21, 2023

Fair play. I don’t blame anyone for being spooked. Americans as a group can be very scary.

AnneBonny Dec 17, 2023

Biden being their best chance of defeating Trump is scary enough.

SkybreakerEngineer Dec 17, 2023

Not the best, just the only one, because nobody else is being considered

Linkerbaan Dec 17, 2023

Gotta keep the israeli agent in power

kase Dec 18, 2023

I mean, I feel your frustration, but I don’t imagine trump would be any better in that regard

LifeInMultipleChoice Dec 18, 2023

Well just apply the words, immigrants tainting blood… His position would be to fully support Isreal and wipe out any foreign blood that could come near their borders. Expand their borders for “sake of security” agaisnt said foreigners and then start over.

AnneBonny Dec 17, 2023

I think that may be a distinction without a difference.

Monument Dec 17, 2023

The “their” you reference is the Democratic Party. It’s the party’s best chance of defeating Trump. People with better chances don’t fit well enough within the party to get their nomination.

And the only reason the Democratic Party has a say is because the U.S. political system was designed to only allow one of two winners. The system is designed so that any third party offering will fail, and their attempt will harm the party with the “nearest” compatible beliefs.

It’s a shitshow. Built poorly (on purpose to preserve power of the political elites), and litigated to be even worse, so corporations can bribe those elites.

deft Dec 17, 2023

polls said the same about Hillary. Biden will win again

fiah Dec 17, 2023

no he won’t, not if American voters keep apathetically stumbling towards fascism like they have been the last few years. The only way this is going to work is if everybody Taylor Swift’s the fuck out of this election, no more pussy footing around

deft Dec 17, 2023

Uhh what?? Trump got elected once. That is it. Since then Dems have basically come out on top every election since likely because of Trump. Polling has always proven to be dog shit.

Trump is a boogeyman Dems use to encourage people to vote their way. We aren’t heading to fascism because of him

bassomitron Dec 17, 2023

He almost won in 2020. The GOP has been hard at work across the country with gerrymandering and other election fuckery for the last few years. Polling may not be gospel, but it’s a rough indicator. I wouldn’t act so confident that he’s going to lose.

And if you don’t believe a large percentage of Americans are clamoring for authoritarianism, then you obviously haven’t been paying attention.

bitrate Dec 17, 2023

How do you figure he almost won? He lost damn near every key swing state. That election was not close.

bassomitron Dec 17, 2023

www.cfr.org/blog/2020-election-numbers

When you look at the smallest popular vote shift needed to give Trump a victory, the 2020 election was close. Indeed, it was even closer than 2016. If Trump picked up the right mix of 42,921 votes in Arizona (10,457), Georgia (11,779), and Wisconsin (20,682), the Electoral College would have been tied at 269 all. The House would have then decided the election. Republicans will hold the majority of state delegations in the new Congress, and they undoubtedly would have chosen Trump. If Trump had also picked up the one electoral vote in Nebraska’s Second Congressional District, which he lost to Biden by 22,091 votes, he would have won the Electoral College outright.

Yes, Biden won by a landslide overall. But as the quoted paragraph above points out, it was strategically very close to a Trump victory.

The 2020 Election by the Numbers

It’s almost over. Yesterday Electoral College electors convened virtually or in person in state capitals across the country to cast their votes. The result was what everyone expected, the election of…

Council on Foreign Relations

bitrate Dec 17, 2023

Well 2016 wasnt close either, so saying it was closer than 2016 isn’t saying much. The paragraph basically says “if he had won the key parts of the election he would have won”. Well…ya…

He was dominated in the key parts of the election just like Hilary was. I agree with you he is absolutely a threat in the upcoming election, but he did not almost win 2020.

bassomitron Dec 17, 2023

It literally said he won by 42k votes across states. That’s pretty damn close.

grue Dec 17, 2023

Stop spreading disinformation.

deft Dec 17, 2023

what election cycle did dems face hard losses since?

grue Dec 17, 2023

I wasn’t talking about that; I was talking about this blatant fucking lie:

We aren’t heading to fascism because of him

deft Dec 17, 2023

you think we are going to fascism because of trump?

grue Dec 17, 2023

Who the fuck else do you think is responsible for it?!

deft Dec 17, 2023

Bro Kissinger just died. Trump has barely had his hand on the ball in this one. He’s a fuckin towel boy at best who just sits at the right crossroads of american real estate nepo baby racist he’s a tool. You know it and so does everyone else this shit goes beyond, above and around him

GiddyGap Dec 17, 2023

Trump has actually never won the popular vote. Unfortunately, majorities don’t really matter in the American election system.

kent_eh Dec 18, 2023

It is possible to out-vote the inherent inequities of the electoral college system and the decades of gerrymandering, but it will take a concerted effort to get out the vote from the demographicswho have been targeted by those voter supression efforts, especially in places like Florida and Texas.

Reddfugee42 Dec 17, 2023

Just like every time before them, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote which is all they ever claimed to do. Read a book.

Omega Dec 17, 2023

Tbf, I saw plenty polls that said Hillary was PROBABLY going to win. But any time something is PROBABLY going to happen there’s a chance it might not.

70-80% chance might seem like a sure thing. But these are the same people who complain when 20% chance of rain turns into… rain. “But the weatherman said it wouldn’t rain.”

PyroNeurosis Dec 18, 2023

To drive home the point: play more xcom.

lolcatnip Dec 18, 2023

Was about to say the same thing.

Except XCOM actually cheats in your favor with its RNG.

KISSmyOS Dec 18, 2023

Which means he’s more popular than Hitler was right before he took over.

the post of tom joad Dec 17, 2023

I’m glad you’re against fascism dude but fierce tweets and finger wagging is for the powerless citizenry not the president. Fucking do something already.

Nachorella Dec 17, 2023

Presidents are elected by the people. For a president to remove their opponent by something other than fierce tweets and finger wagging would be fascism.

ggBarabajagal Dec 17, 2023

So like, “Biden should seize the powers of the presidency to take a more authoritarian stance against authoritarianism.” Is this really what you mean?

finger wagging is for the powerless citizenry not the president

Contrary to your premise, Biden has consistently promoted an anti-authoritarian view of how our representative democracy should work. He thinks people should vote against authoritarianism, instead of them calling on a POTUS who was elected to office because of his anti-authoritarian views to start taking authoritarian action against his authoritarian opponents.

The citizenry is not powerless. The citizenry has the most fundamental power of all: power over who is elected to office.

Just because that power can be corrupted and diminished through gerrymandering, electoral college imbalances, and two-party FPTP distortions (and a million other for-better-or-worse Constitutional safeguards against mob-rule) does not change the fact the citizenry still holds the most basic and fundamental power of all.

Tweets and finger-wagging are fine too, if you like, but if you are against fascism, I’m glad too. I hope you vote, and I hope you vote strategically instead of out of anger.

the post of tom joad Dec 17, 2023

So like, “Biden should seize the powers of the presidency to take a more authoritarian stance against authoritarianism.” Is this really what you mean?

No and i take issue with your tone, but you’re not the only one who’s tossed this strawman out in response for my asking for rule of law to be upheld. My power aside, i expect the president and administration to use all the legal power at their disposal to keep a threat to our democracy from office.

Why don’t you make up for being so abrasive in your first response by being more civil in your next? We could even discuss this like adults

kase Dec 18, 2023

What exactly can he legally do to keep trump out?

QuaternionsRock Dec 18, 2023

It’s not really a strawman if you refuse to explain your argument. That would be called “a guess”.

the post of tom joad Dec 18, 2023

Good. Quips are good for upvotes.

Since you responded to me knowing full well i like giving out homework, yours is to “guess” why i don’t bother explaining myself to mooks who come at me clearly not planning on honest debate.

Most people who end up responding would rather measure their wits against me though, because they feel attacked or some shit by my having an opinion that doesn’t agree with theirs

Most people just like you homie. Is being clever working out for you?

QuaternionsRock Dec 18, 2023

The first response in this chain seemed genuinely interested in engaging with you, and the part you shot down for being a “strawman” (the very first paragraph) seemed more like an honest question than an attack on you. Despite numerous attempts, nobody is any closer to figuring out what you actually mean, and I cannot comprehend why anyone would be happy with such an outcome.

Since you responded to me knowing full well i like giving out homework

Hah, pass. I’m just as happy ignoring the rest of your comment as you are.