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Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net.

https://lemmy.world/post/9622153

Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net. - Lemmy.World

Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse. If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net [http://threads.net]” If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net [http://threads.net]”.

underscores Dec 16, 2023

There’s a list of people that have agreed to block it at fedipact.online

🖤 ANTI-META FEDI PACT 🖤

kate Dec 16, 2023

Oh jeez how do I turn off all the moving stuff

Chozo Dec 16, 2023

That site is an assault on my eyes.

SuddenDownpour Dec 16, 2023

Graphic design is my passion.

Klear Dec 16, 2023

The design convinced me to give meta a chance.

TORFdot0 Dec 16, 2023

Web 1.0 always was a good lookin kid

YoBuckStopsHere Dec 16, 2023

If you don’t subscribe to threads you’ll never see it.

sour Dec 16, 2023

will i see culture change

PlantObserver Dec 16, 2023

Undoubtedly.

Jumuta Dec 16, 2023

*everyone doesn’t

⚡⚡⚡Dec 16, 2023

Why won’t I see it in the All section without doing anything?

YoBuckStopsHere Dec 16, 2023

Because threads doesn’t have communities. All threads people can do it comment.

Draconic NEO Dec 18, 2023

They can post to communities by mentioning their handle, mastodon users do it all the time. They’re certainly not going to be as much of a problem for us since it’s a deliberate process, but it’s also not that far fetched that users will sign up there to abuse it, especially if threads has poor moderation (it’s not looking good as it is).

tobbue Dec 16, 2023

Great and such, but the large majority that might come to the Fediverse will never look nor use that function. If we don’t defederate with our instances now, we never will.

YoBuckStopsHere Dec 16, 2023

The thing you don’t get is that more common people will find the lemmy servers for the first time. Additionally it is more of a Twitter clone and doesn’t threaten much.

tobbue Dec 16, 2023

What do you mean by “find Lemmy servers?” I mean, can you describe how that will look like from the perspective of someone that is using threads? And how that will motivate more common people to change the platform or browsing behavior?

YoBuckStopsHere Dec 16, 2023

Lemmy.world is a server running lemmy software. It’s federated so you can subscribe to lw communities of Mastodon and comment as well. Threads and Mastodon don’t support communities though so all they can do is subscribe and comment. There is no negative to lemmy servers of Threads being federated. Threads users will subscribe to lemmy communities, but stay on Threads. If you’re on a lemmy server it doesn’t change anything. You’ll just see posts and comments with accounts ending with @threads

tobbue Dec 16, 2023

From my understanding of your earlier comment you said casual Threads users will find out about Lemmy servers for the first time and I asked about how that will work out from the perspective of a threads user. I hoped for an answer of that.

YoBuckStopsHere Dec 16, 2023

Exact same experience as a Mastodon user.

FaceDeer Dec 16, 2023

Yeah, close that protocol! Build the walls around our garden higher! No need to wait for them to actually do something worth defederating over, we just don't like them!

This is silly. A major social media network is trying to join the Fediverse and everyone's keen on stopping it. If Meta does something dirty or damaging, sure, defederate them then. But I was kind of hoping that open protocols would flourish, not just end up as another bunch of balkanized forums and Reddit-likes.

Zorque Dec 16, 2023

If you haven't noticed them doing dirty or damaging things for the last twenty years, feel free to engage with them.

There's more than enough evidence to show their intentions are far from pure.

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

How are we supposed to do that when people like you are encouraging admins to defederate which removes any semblance of freedom of choice that you are fucking trying to imply we act upon?

Excrubulent Dec 16, 2023

They’re a multinational corporation, they don’t need us to host their shit for you to be able to read a goddamn article and learn something.

If you don’t yet understand that they’re evil that’s on you.

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

What if some of us don't care if they're evil?

Excrubulent Dec 16, 2023

Then you’re evil. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Go ahead, be evil. It is certainly your right.

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

Thanks, it is my prerogative.

This is the point of the freedom of federated communities: we can read whatever the fuck we want from wherever the fuck we want without having authoritarian censor-heavy limp-wrist adult-baby moderators and corporate fascists determining what we are allowed to read or affiliate with.

The freedom to read both sides and control what I want to interact with on my own will, and make my own decisions is why I'm fucking here. I don't want people like you making decisions for me, go fuck yourself.

Thanks for noticing I'm evil. I'll go make a nice blood sacrifice to my effigy of Satan by eating another baby.

Excrubulent Dec 16, 2023

Right, so nobody’s stopping you from joining threads, or making your own instance. You can call it evil.villain. Why don’t you?

Dieinahole Dec 16, 2023

So when they steamroll this place so hard you only get their side of the story, what then?

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

I promise you nothing is going to get steamrolled, you are simply being very ignorant.

In fact, I will @ you with a reminder in 30 days as a reply to this message of how mundane and routine everything is to prove you are wrong.

∟⊔⊤∦∣≶Dec 16, 2023

It’s sarcasm. I upvoted them because I would have said something similar to highlight the absurdity of any argument against defederating with Threads.

Excrubulent Dec 16, 2023

Read their replies. They are apparently being sincere. You have fallen victim to Poe’s law.

∟⊔⊤∦∣≶Dec 16, 2023

Oh fuck…

Really?

Excrubulent Dec 16, 2023

kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/…/4154704

Log in - kbin.social

Explore the Fediverse

Zorque Dec 16, 2023

Then feel free to go to threads or somewhere that does federate with them. You don't have to stay on a particular instance if they don't federate with something you want to engage with.

That's your freedom of choice.

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

There is no plan for kbin to defederate with Threads, which is why I'm here you dolt. Maybe you should leave.

sour Dec 16, 2023

._.

Deceptichum Dec 16, 2023

Then get fucked?

Meta are largely responsible for the current state of affairs right now. Nearly every current war, genocide, fake news, and more can be tied back to Meta.

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

Are you seriously simplifying all current conflicts caused down to simply social media? So if we completely remove all social media, humanity instantly becomes the utopian society from science fiction. STFU with this stupidity you ignorant child.

Deceptichum Dec 16, 2023

Simply? No.

Dangerously and deliberately engageful? Yes.

Look at the impact of FB in the Rohingya genocide for fucks sake.

Fucking right wing wanker.

Dieinahole Dec 16, 2023

The fuck is wrong with you?

Draconic NEO Dec 19, 2023

Typical Kbin troll.

Zorque Dec 16, 2023

So... admins aren't free to choose? Why are you trying to take away admins freedom of choice? Sounds kind of authoritarian to me.

Chozo Dec 16, 2023

If you're self-hosting a personal instance, do whatever you want.

But if you're hosting a community for other people, you should consider what they want. That's the responsibility of a community leader.

Zaktor Dec 16, 2023

Most of these instances are hosted by amateurs doing it for fun and often at their own cost. Users can leave if they want different policies. If you want a right to dictate policy, do the work yourself or hire someone to do it for you.

Zorque Dec 16, 2023

That's the beauty of the fediverse, if the instance you're on isn't doing what you want, you can move to another one. Or create your own.

I'd say that's a pretty clear indicator of the popularity of decisions. Saying "No, you can't do that, cause I don't want that" is putting your desires above the desires of others.

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

This is why I love federated communities; the freedom of choice is great to have.

sour Dec 16, 2023

move to other instance

BaroqueInMind Dec 16, 2023

Or build my own, which is great to have as a contingency.

squiblet Dec 16, 2023

I’m sure there will be instances that remain federated with them, and you can join those… or just join Threadstagram.

theneverfox Dec 16, 2023

You can spin up your own server… That’s what the fediverse is.

The freedom to do whatever you want as an admin, and the freedom of choosing another server where you’ll still be part of the network

Meta/Facebook threatens this, because their user base dwarfs the rest of the fediverse. They’re also running their own closed source server code… They can gatekeep their own federation

I would love it if companies joined the fediverse, but like, by making instances. Maybe even use it for their internal Intranet. Maybe they could add federation compatible APIs to their existing software

I don’t want a massive social network company to use their position to make a new social network…

Federation is like Bitcoin or Tor - it’s decentralized, until one org becomes too large… At that point, they can control the network in countless ways

ttmrichter Dec 17, 2023

Sign up on Threads if you want Threads content. Fucking duh.

roguetrick Dec 16, 2023

The microbloggers are a bit different than us, in that they actually try to create a "social circle." Threaded discussions with random assholes like we enjoy tend to be more focused on giving us someone to reply to.

spacecowboy Dec 16, 2023

How many times does Meta have to show you who they are before you start paying attention?

Excrubulent Dec 16, 2023

Federation means you can defederate for any reason. It’s not a set of principles, it is an ontological arrangement whereby power is distributed. Plenty of users will look for defederated instances to join because keeping facebook out of our shit is what we want. You are free to find instances that are federated. Nobody will stop you.

And as for things they’ve done, personally I find that knowingly stoking genocide in Myanmar is enough for me to not give them any more chances.

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Szymon Dec 16, 2023

Ever play Plague Inc? The secret to winning is to not become deadly until you’ve already become engrained and established throughout society. Then you add the deadly features once you’re too deep in.

Don’t let the cancer establish itself as something innocent. The owner of the platform WILL take any opportunity to seize control of the media so it can seize control of the message.

Froyn Dec 16, 2023

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mypasswordis1234 Dec 16, 2023

I just love this comparison 🥰

BarrierWithAshes Dec 16, 2023

I'd be closer to agreeing with you if XMPP didn't completely invalidate your point. They did it there and they'll do it here.

kpw Dec 16, 2023

XMPP works great, you just have to use it. It doesn't invalidate anything.

BarrierWithAshes Dec 16, 2023

Theres a reason nobody uses it anymore. Google extended the crap out of it, effectively took over the protocol and then retired it. It bears the same echoes of what's happening here.