SilverserenIsrael drove suitcases stuffed with cash into Gaza to keep Hamas in power
Israeli officials are facing backlash after years of Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu quietly allowing Hamas to remain in power.... #israel #hamas #corruption
owlinsightAre you surprised the genocidal regime that has been slowly eradicating a whole people for the past 70+ years could go this far?
It's not necessarily new information, just that the NYT has conglomerated everything we already knew into a single article.
But it's been pretty well known that Netanyahu and Israel were responsible for Hamas existing and being funded in the first place, in order to undermine the Palestinian Authority that was actually making progress toward a two state solution, which Israel really hasn't been in support of for decades, but had to pretend they supported to stay the "good guys".
kescusayIt makes a sick kind of sense. If youâre one of the conservatives in power in Israel, and you oppose a two-state solution that would give Palestinians autonomy, keep two weaker factions fighting each other rather than stabilizing a new country.
It doesnât excuse the inhuman barbarism committed by Hamas against civilians, but it does mean Netanyahu should be immediately removed from power and arrested.
The Palestinian Authority is the only organization there with any actual legitimacy, and had Israel publicly, openly supported it, Hamas could never have gotten a foothold, while the Palestinian Authority would have had reason to normalize relations with Israel.
Do you know the backlash israel would get if it could install governments in gaza?
Lmao yall want israel to govern gaza and also not. No matter what israel does. It is gonna be the jews fault right?
Ummm, are you sure you responded to the right comment? I didnât suggest Israel install a government in Gaza. I described something Netanyahu and his fellow conservatives did to keep Palestine from stabilizing, and I said Israel could have avoided the current state of affairs by not doing that.
Conservative israelis def destablized palestinian government. But they cant prop hamas or pla. Palestinians have to do that. The conservative Israeli government just destablized hamas
The article is literally about Israel stabilizing Hamas to keep it and the Palestinian Authority struggling for control and keeping Palestine destabilized overall.
Destablized hamas from the perspective of more violence is equivalent to stabilizing hamas against a state two solution
Palestinians voted in Hamas in 2006, almost 20 years ago. Many of the Palestinians who voted in Hamas are dead of natural causes, and many who are of voting age today did not vote in Hamas. And no 18-year term is valid in any democracy.
TropicalDingdonggot it wrong
No? No they got exactly what they wanted. Theyâll be able to annex all of Gaza and eventually the west bank.
They sacrificed their people to accomplish their colonist goals.The plan went swimmingly.
RiccosuaveCorrect, which is exactly the same thing the Zionist Federation of Germany did during WWII. They sold out their own people in order to keep much of their assets while beginning the process of annexing British Mandatory Palestine.
Make no mistake, these same Zionists went on to form Lehi, among other terrorist/militant organizations that share a direct link to modern day Likud. Every policy the modern right wing Israeli government has employed they borrowed directly from the Third Reichâs playbook.
They are literally genocidal, ethno-supremacist, crypto-fascist psycopaths. In no way is that hyperbole. They are essentially Israeli Naziâs.
Gonna look into this myself later, but I hope youâre lying. That would be some fucked up shit
Go read that Wikipedia information I linked. This isnât some rabbit hole conspiracy theory. There were multiple attempts by Zionist militant groups (including Lehi) to actively align with Nazi Germany against Britain during WWII. The context is more nuanced than what I am going to be able to explain in a comment here, but I encourage you to research the inter-war period of British Mandatory Palestine that lead up to the modern Israeli state.
Reading though it now and youâre pretty spot on. Obviously thereâs a lot more nuance, but seeking an alliance with literal Nazis isnât a good look.
Btw, your link to Lehi is broken.
Do you mind pointing out where âthe Zionist Federation of Germany sold out their own people to keep their assetsâ ?
Regarding the nuance itâs not unimportant that Lehi was an offshoot of an offshoot and certainly not representative for the entire Yishuv. They were sentenced for their actions (but later pardonned).
In '40-'42 no on knew who was going to come out victorious, so different factions were betting either on both horses. The mufti of Jerusalem, for example, was going all in for the naziâs. And a lot of Arab nationalists actually preferred Germany over the British which they hated for letting in (jewish) immigrants.
As I understand it, one Lehi leader (Yitzhak Shamir) went on to become Israelâs PM for two terms. He also approved the assassination of Folke Bernadotte, a Swedish diplomat working to negotiate peace in the region.
Itâs clear they had influence in post-WW2 Israel.
They sure did, they tried to rehabilitate them. Yithzak Rabin was part of a terrorist group as well, went on to serve as PM for two terms, and was assassinated for working towards a two state solutionâŠ
Who? The Palmach? At least they didnât try to ally with the Nazis like Lehi.
⊠Or the arab Palestinians
I believe theyâre talking about the Haavara agreement. From my understanding the Jewish community worldwide was boycotting Nazi Germany by not doing business with them, and the Haavara agreement was seen as cooperation with the Nazis and their anti-Semitic policy.
That agreement was about paying nazi Germany to facilitate migration to Israel. But riccosuave is making a comparison with Bibi sacrificing a few thousand of his citizens to create a casus belli. So I guess/hope heâs talking about something else?
Transporter Room 3I love that âpointing out undisputed historical facts that are provable and verified through many sourcesâ often gets met with âquit with the crazy conspiracy theories and anti-______-ismâ, regardless of which group you are apparently making conspiracy theories about.
Though the money was meant for Gazan civilians, Western intelligence determined that Hamas was taking money from the funds to use themselves, the outlet reported.
Yep, sure totally meant for civilians guys, wads of money in suitcases. Nothing to see here, a totally legit way of sending funds to civilians.
The US did that with pallets of cash in Afghanistan, but that was explicitly money for warlords. No one tried to hide it. It was completely different.
âI learned it from youâ
What about all those pallets that went missing?
I thought that was Iraq under W?
ChrisLichtI have a vague memory of a $10B cash shipment going missing in Afghanistan.
I mean hamas is the government of israel. Did you want israel to distribute the humanitarian aid in palestine as well? Might as well govern them too right?
I mean, preferably. And then give them a vote, too. But then I believe in a one state solution.
Itâs better than just keeping them all in an open air prison.
Hamas hasnt held a vote ;)
Obviously
Called it
Riddick3001Here the original &complete NY times article, for those who want to read what they have written, and not what is speculated.
Reality SuitItâs from the U.S. tyranny playbook: Allow a tragedy to happen, and then you get the support of the people to do whatever it takes to stop terrorism such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
I understand you are not implying that pearl harbour and 9/11 where inside jobs.
I think, you just referencing to the public support that followed those events. Right?
Theres some who think the mistakes of Pearl Harbor wasnât anything but incompetence/human error.
Not inside jobs necessarily but both events had credible foreknowledge of an imminent attack that wasnât acted upon.
Hamas also had credible foreknowledge that Israel would start fucking them up if they committed an incredibly successful terrorist strike.
LinkerbaanOf course not. Hamas isnât responsible for israelâs genocide. If anything the israeli response has shown the world just how much of a Nazi state israel truly is.
Hamas isnât responsible for israelâs genocide.
Yes, I agree (although itâs not a genocide). In the same way, the foreknowledge that Israel had about Hamasâs strike does not make Hamasâs strike Israelâs fault in the least.
Genocide is any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.Sure seems like Israel is trying to get a full bingo card on this one even if you reject the notion of «genocide».
And before you go for the âintentâ get out of jail free cardâŠ
Israelâs Public Diplomacy Minister: âErase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil.
Gaza should be erased!â
Still questioning a genocidal intent?
How about Bibi Netanyahu saying âYou must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 âNow go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and assâ," .
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called residents of Gaza, about half of whom are children, âhuman animalsâ as he ordered a âcomplete siegeâ on the enclave including a total blockade of food, fuel, and electricity.
Former military officer Eliyahu Yossian said the IDF must enter Gaza âwith the aim of revenge, zero morality, maximum corpses,â and toldChannel 14 in Israel on Monday that âthere is no population in Gaza, there are 2.5 million terrorists.â
Earlier this year, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said at an event in Paris, âThereâs no such thing as Palestinians because thereâs no such thing as a Palestinian people.â He also said the West Bank town of Huwara should be âwiped outâ by âthe state of Israel,â while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented a map of what he called âThe New Middle Eastââwithout the illegally occupied West Bank, Gaza, or East Jerusalemâat the United Nations General Assembly just weeks before the onslaught in Gaza began.
Sure seems like a pattern of intent. I could find you that video of Bibi back in 2002 saying much the same if you like. This isnât new.
Not to say the Israeli isnât 110% shit but the âbingo cardâ you present remains completely empty. Sure theyâd like all Gazans to flee to Egypt but anyone calling this a genocide just hasnât seen a real genocide yet
You know false positives exist right?
It was hubris and arrogance and incompetence.
He is a conspiracy nut
No, not at all, but I understand new facts can change upheld beliefs.
What facts do you have that Jewish people allowed Oct 7 to happen?
Or even the american government allowing 9/11?
The Saudis are US allies. They did 911. Yet we remain allies. It doesnât mean we âdid itâ through them. But itâs suspect and deserves consideration.
A closer inspection already showed it was rogue saudi elements and a combination of arrogant, incompetent analysts during a transition period of presidencies.
You should give that consideration.
The New York times did a few pieces on it at the beginning of Dec.
âIsrael Knew Hamasâs Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.â archive.ph/SDOlU
âIsrael Knew Hamasâs Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.â archive.ph/SDOlU
Yeah, them dismissing it was a mistake. They thought it was BS.
They get a lot of threats. Some will be false positives or false negatives.
Doesnt mean they wanted or allowed the attack to happen. Ffs this entire thread is full of brain dead communists or some shit
full of brain dead communists or some shit
Communist?
I do not think it means what you think it means.
What do you think the ml means in lemmy?
No, not inside jobs, but not dealt with appropriately so as to get America involved or to pass the patriot act. We know for a fact that the CIA was still trying to flip one of the terrorist pilots the day of.
TurtleJoeThis is every colonizerâs playbook: you make constant small incursions, then when the people finally push back, you use it as an excuse to wipe them out and take the land.
Conspiracy theories and antisemitism go hand in hand.
Case in point right here.
I donât understand how this is antisemitism
The belief that israel allowed hamas to attack them to take Palestinian land is anti semitic as fuck.