Sony is going to remove certain purchased titles from user libraries

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Sony is going to remove certain purchased titles from user libraries - Feddit.it

As always, the paying user has the worst experience. “Purchase” a show, can only watch on a certain console of a certain brand, no transfers, no backups, then it suddenly disappears from the library and nothing can be done. If media companies insist on draconian DRM, then they should pay for full refunds to their loyal customers when one day they decide to delist that specific show.

And this is why I never “buy” media online. If I can’t own the media and enjoy the content whenever and wherever I want, it’s rented. I may be ok with that, but I never let them claim that it was a sale.
Like… They’re straight up taking it back? No refunding? That is so asinine.

“We sincerely thank you for your continued support.”

Not only are they not refunding, They seem to think you might purchase something else from them in the future.

Because most people will still continue to buy things.
And idiots will do it, too.

Even Google was giving people full refunds for all games that were bought on Stadia when they gave up on that. I can’t imagine that the total refunds would even be that bad for Sony given the increases they made for PSN prices. Would at least come across as at least pretending to “do right” to keep some level of trust from the people that have been buying non-game media from them. It would all be just a PR thing with some loss of current money for future money. Maybe even just offer a free amount of credit for getting some shows/movies from the Sony owned studios.

But since Sony is currently the number one, they will keep on their fuck shit until Microsoft or Nintendo are able to pull some big push. Playstation really only does kind of cool shit for customers when they aren’t in the lead.

Just FYI: there’s been about 45 million PS5’s sold to date. There’s been over 130 million Switch’s sold. PS4 sold 117 million during its total run.

They’re in the lead against Xbox. They don’t really cross paths with Nintendo. Different demographic, sort of.

You can bet Australian users will be entitled to a refund, should they be affected.

Similar to how “no refunds” didn’t fly with steam in cases where people are entitled to a refund under Australian Consumer Law.

Absolutely insane.

I can understand extreme cases, like some sort of disputed IP where their contact to sell the content turns out not to be with the actual rights holder, resulting in no longer serving the content (with an unconditional full refund). But past that they should be legally required to host the content until the heat death of the universe.

Give it another 10 years, you won’t “own” anything. It’ll be “licensed.” Weird tho. Digital content is endless. But you can’t consume it into extinction; physical things are finite, but we’re like here take it! It’s yours! Call a cop or shoot anyone trying to take it.

Seems backwards to me.

It’s all Discovery shows. They ended the agreement to have their shows on the playstation network. It’s more than likely due to the Warner Brothers Merger and them deciding to take all their toys away to try to force users onto HBO Max, but I don’t know the details here. There was probably nothing Sony could do. But if you paid for them individually via Sony then then Discovery should honor that as they got paid at the time of the sale.
That, or Sony didn’t want to pay the fee to extend the licensing agreement. Sony has a history of screwing over their customers and being a cheap skate. (Removing Linux from PS3, releasing controllers without force feedback because they didn’t want to pay the license fee, installing root kit malware on PCs of buyers of their CDs)

There was probably nothing Sony could do

Wrong, Sony could issue full refunds to customers or ask WB the royalties back. Sony should had a clause in their contract with discovery that allowed them to host the video files indefinitely, if it was voided all the royalties to be refunded as a penalty fee.

When Google closed their digital magazine store, they let users download the PDF or to get a full refund.

Google again, closed stadia and everyone got a full refund even if all the devs were paid

When a game is delisted on Steam, Valve continues to host the files for previous customers.

But here no, they already got the money, they know that console users are used to just STFU, they saw that they can save a lot of money by deleting hundreds of TB of video content, and seized the opportunity

At least have the decency to do a partial refund where only the royalties paid to Discovery are kept. Or if not a money refund a store credit as goodwill. Or a prorated refund/store credit according to how many times it was viewed. Never viewed = full refund, viewed once, keep the price of a rental, and so on. Or force WB to transfer the license in another digital locker.

But no, nothing.

Had I purchased that video content just to see it disappear from my archive, I wouldn’t ever trust them anymore for future purchases and exclusively resort to piracy. (Well I do it already but this is an example) It’s a lose-lose situation for Sony and for WB. The rightholders do extensive campaigns “please pay for movies and show, don’t steal them”, then if someone believes them and *purchases" the video content, he is the one that will actually get something stolen

Discovery Entitlements Affected Titles

As of 31 December 2023, due to our content licensing arrangements with content providers, you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed from your video library.

We sincerely thank you for your continued support.

Thank you,

PlayStation Store

Turns out you people didn’t actually purchase it.

I wonder if anywhere in the “purchase” terms they included “while Sony holds the license to distribute.”

I hate that “purchases” people make are restricted per platform. If I “purchase” a specific title it should be available on any and all platforms that serve that content. No one should be asked to purchase it on Sony. Apple, Netflix, Amazon, or whatever other shitty streaming service comes out.

As much as I think nfts are fucking retarded, this could be one of the few cases where that stupid digital receipt might make sense.

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My understanding was this was the actual intended use case for NFTs. To allow you to properly own a digital item. The fact that it got applied to a stupid fad right out the gate doesn’t change the fact that it should actually be used to allow us to own things again.
NFTs don't solve the actual problem, which is that paying money doesn't legally come with a warranty for accessability of the thing you bought. The law should guarantee the right to access anything purchased or marketed similarly for a given period of years with the right to either a Refund or a DRM free download option if said access is no longer offered for any reason, and mandatory cultural preservation of said media as a precondition to legally profit off of it or enforce copyright using the court system
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sony kind of has their hands tied on this one. The shows they’re delisting (or are not able to relicense) kind of get to take their IP off of the system, no?

I imagine that is the case, however they could refund it given the situation.

I get the feeling they won’t allow refunds.

True, but I doubt any giant corp entity would do refunds in this day and age.

Not defending Sony, just saying this is SOP, as shitty as it is.

If they didn’t have a licence to host it in perpetuity, they shouldn’t have sold it in the first place.

Yes, they should pull it if they legally have to. That’s following the law. However, they should refund consumers in full or ensure that they continue to have the media without restrictions.

More than refund should be legally due. The cost to repurchase the product is what is due.

nothing is legally due, Sony more than likely has clauses in their ToS that say they can remove access to content for whatever reason.

Morally fucked up, but legally fine.

Everything was once “legally fine” until a court ruled otherwise.

Shrinkwrap licenses were once “legally fine”.

Modern consoles are a scam.

I still like having a console strictly for games, but not for media stuff. Plus since it’s an Xbox, you can subscribe to Game Pass and treat every game as a rental.

That doesn’t do anything to help game preservation though, which sucks. But between the sheer volume of games and the “every game is a rental” attitude, I treat new games as a one-time experience that I probably won’t care about returning to.

Fortunately though, the games I care most about having access to forever are easily backed up and can be played with an emulator if necessary.

Yeah, I stopped buying’em when they started charging for 2nd internet.

Fucking rubes ruin everything I swear lol.

Fucking assholes. This is why piracy is justifiable, and in some cases, even necessary.
That’s one reason why Piracy will always exist, am I right?
It’s why it must exist.
if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing
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I wish u could retweet a lemmy comment. Well said.
welcome to the fediverse. Boost = retweet ;)
technically you can since lemmy, kbin, and mastodon all use activitypub :P
How tho. I use the Voyager app for Lemmy (iOS)
you can technically follow lemmy users in mastodon. in megalodon (or whatever your client is), just search for the lemmy handle. their posts are toots and their comments are replies
Mind = blown, I didn’t know Lemmy could talk to mastadon
Not within Lemmy, but if you were on, for example, a federated Mastodon instance it’s perfectly possible to boost that comment that would appear like a retweet to Mastodon users.
The Voyager community (I use it too), JUST had a post from the developer that he added a feature to post comments as pictures, but I don’t actually know how to do it.
"We sincerely thank you for your continued support."
Looks perfectly translated to me

“As always, the paying user has the worst experience.”

So true.

If I’m to believe I own the crap I buy that’s digital delivery, then if they want to take it back, they need to buy it from me at my price.
If I purchased it, do I get store credit for losing what I bought?
That’s funny. You should do stand-up
Yes, but since it’s “used”, you get .1 percent what you paid for it.
It loses 70% of it’s value as soon as you drive watch it off the lot
God, I hope these bastards get sued 'cause little doubt they won’t be refunding the poor schmos who’ve just been robbed of their property.
I’m sure they covered this in the terms of service that they know no one ever reads.

In many countries that wont work. The Terms of service need to only include reasonable and expectable clauses, as they are not negotionable.

And “purchase doesnt mean ownership, we take it from you anytime we want” is neither reasonable nor expectable.

Also this should run under criminal fraud imo. The customers were deliberately deceived by the term “purchase” into believing they would be granted ownership.

That argument might fly in the EU, but in the current US political climate? Not so sure. Hopefully they’ll keep making laws with actual teeth to drag these multinational corporations to change things that may lower their bottom line
To be fair, Sony might go for that. This is incredibly embarrassing for them as well, and it does erode the trust in their service which is really important for a marketplace like this. Sony will be handing out coupons probably, but this is still damage to their brand.