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David HoIt's absurd that people are traveling to COP28 by private jet.
https://theconversation.com/why-are-people-still-flying-to-climate-conferences-by-private-jet-218459
Darrin West@davidho Austerity is for the little people.
Rich Puchalsky 
If the COP was going to actually get anything done about global climate change, how people traveled there would be unimportant. But since it's only going to make things worse, might as well not add a tiny bit more CO2 to that.
GreenerFutures@davidho how else? Or are you making a comment about the likely return on that carbon dioxide investment?
geography@davidho it’s all good, you can offset it 🤡 https://www.cop28accommodationdubai.com/
Mike Taylor 🦕@davidho I know it's not the point you're making, but it's a big surprise to me that the carbon cost of driving and flying (on a commercial flight) are basically the same.
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Raglan Niall 
Lil Meow MeowI suspect not.
In any case, the sad truth is that in the great scheme of things, the main problem isn't the way attendees made their way to and from COP28 but the refusal to phase out all types of fossil energy within the next 4-5 years - and the inconvenient truth is that many politicians refuse it because their voters don't accept it.
Mankind is f***ed.
@lil_meow_meow @mike @davidho we are not f'd (it's non- binary) but the World is getting more and more damaged. Positive change is happening despite the leaders not moving anything close to as fast as is needed. The faster we change the better the planet's outcomes will be. I'm pretty dark on our chances a lot of the time but the more we do to help, the better things will be.
@davidho This is grams per kilometer I guess?
Karl Name 
@davidho why don't they meet online?
mr brown 
@werdenfels @davidho no, it's per passenger.
and they do not discuss how many people are attending #COP28 by private flights. it must be something between all (70.000 attendees) and no one.
but dr Ho likes these populist posts, manipulating people.
the original article just wanted to discuss the impact of private flights, and (unexpectedly) find out civil aviation is not too bad.
I guess Air Force One is private flight.
https://ucl.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.14324/111.444/000218.v1
Navigating the Climate Conferences: Comparing the Carbon Footprint of Private Jet Travel and Other Modes of Transport to COP28
<p class="first" dir="auto" id="d152529e185">The annual Conference of the Parties (COP) meetings are pivotal events for collective action to combat climate change. This year, as world leaders, government officials and observers convene in Dubai, UAE, for COP28, climate justice will be a central theme. In light of these negotiations, we present an updated version of UCL’s carbon footprint calculator to compare different modes of transport from the UK to COP28 in Dubai. Analysing private jet data from the 2022 COP27 in Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt, we then investigate the carbon footprint of private jet travel to COP28. The carbon footprint calculator demonstrates the carbon inefficiency of air travel compared to alternative modes of transport to COP28. As the most polluting form of transport, the carbon footprint of private jets is disproportionately high. We find that for a journey from London to Dubai, private jet travel is 9 times more polluting than a commercial flight, 35 times more than train transport and 52 times more than coach travel. Given the primary objective of COP conferences to discuss and negotiate climate change policies and actions, the use of private jets by prominent individuals undermines the core mission of these discussions. The research calls for transparency, accountability and informed choices in travel decisions to align with climate change commitments. Additionally, we explore the significance of the chosen COP venue in promoting equity, the associated carbon footprint and the influence of the hosting nation on negotiations. </p>
aethervision@davidho Theres no dissonance like cognitive dissonance like no dissonance I know.
Darwin Woodka@davidho Gonna be fun when the private jets start falling from the sky
graphictruthRealistically, the carbon footprint and security exposure of private jets is far less than taking a caravan of Escalades.
Simply propose the idea to a security coordinator and watch them go pale. Watch the chef of staff wince at the sudden scheduling disarray. The press secretary will hate the optics; it always resembles a pinstripe invasion with its own comms and anti air vehicles. The budget people will likely go "ehhh."
Morten@davidho Well, it is an event for UAE to lobby the rest of the world to keep polluting with fossil carbon.
Oregon Wine Woman
Urban Hermit@davidho the people taking private jets to COP are nor there to prevent carbon use, most are there to defend the status quo and delay change.
xi timpin@davidho @ProjectFearlessness We've had the news that King Charles, the PM and Foreign Secretary travelled by separate private jet. Anyone else we should know about?
Or how about a list of attendees that didn't fly? Or those who went by commercial airline?
ProjectFearlessnessThe awful truth is that it's nearly impossible to get to Dubai by any other way but flying because it is surrounded by war zones. Which should be enough of a wake up call in itself. Having a COP in Dubai is wrong on all the levels.
Mishari Muqbil@davidho how is it that a petrol car emits more than diesel
Abraham Samma🔬🔭 🇦🇺🇹🇿@davidho yes and the denialist camp really use this to their advantage in undermining public opinion. It's a shame.
Ivan Sagalaev 
@davidho I wonder what they used to estimate CO₂ from an electric car.
Uncle Vinny@davidho not sure how to directly compare the overall numbers, but for trivia's sake an estimate is that 358 tons of CO2 were emitted during the April 2021 SpaceX Starship test launch: https://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/blog/elon-musk-rocket-emitted-358-tonnes-of-co2
(moved)Galbinus Caeli 🌯@davidho how does that compare to attending virtually? Or even having the entire conference on line?
BeardedBulldog 🤷🏻♂️😵💫🏳️🪦@davidho If you have high profile people on a plane, there's a much higher risk to insurers if things go wrong. Also those people might be regarded as targets by many armed groups, heavily increasing the security risk.
Maybe it might make politicians
be more considered in their approach to issues so they don't flag themselves as targets.
I understand the intention of the original toot to note the absurdity of travel to a climate conference on a private jet, but there are other issues in play.
planetscape@davidho Doomed, we are.
Luka Rubinjoni@davidho It's absurd people are traveling to COP28. They could have just made a Zoom call.
Simon Johnson@davidho no more absurd than anything else in this #fossilfuels driven death spiral of an extractive, exploitative capitalist hellscape