_number8_wtf happened to dave chappelle
Yeah this has since been deleted because he didn’t agree to that caption at all. Dude was just trying to be nice and take a picture.
You can dislike his last stand up special, but I don’t think any part of it could be misconstrued to the point where he was saying there are only two genders or trans people don’t exist.
He knows they exist. But he also doesn’t consider trans women to be women.
Yeah but ultimately David Chappelle is just one guy. No matter how rich he gets his dreams, his hopes, and his actions will stop when he dies. The money he leaves back here will be in the hands of people with their own dreams and motives.
The world will outlast that motherfucker, too.
For himself. He doesn’t give a shit beyond that.
Wow, who knew “not giving a shit” looked like releasing several Netflix specials exclusively advocating a position on the topic. Try to be less of a clown than Dave, he’s not the funny kind
Then why would he have objected to being in the captioned image? Think.
To be honest, I think contrapoints has a really solid take on it. That yes trans women are women, but women’s issues and trans women’s issues should be considered separate things. Both groups face some issues that the other can’t really relate to, and conflating them so much doesn’t help anyone.
TrickDacyIf at any point, DC’s 30 minute trans rant neared being funny, I could’ve given him the benefit of doubt.
But nope, it contained zero jokes. It wasn’t funny. It was him inflicting his old man attitude on the world. I loved Dave Chappelle, but I don’t find him funny or a decent person any longer.
stevedidWHATThat’s why so many comedians end up “cancelled” all that money boiled to their heads and the already apathetic “jokesters” are now even more out of touch with reality.
Let em all rot out like Cosby did. My heros will only ever possibly be my neighbors wherever I live.
Nobody else gets me like they do.
LinkOpensChest.wavMy heros will only ever possibly be my neighbors wherever I live.
That’s what I’m always saying! I know so many good working class folks in my friend group and neighborhood. I don’t feel compelled to look up to some celebrity who’s ultimately a complete rando to me.
There are artists and other famous people whose work I respect and admire, but my heros are people I know irl
Even his golden era was pretty shit in hindsight with a lot of “not black enough” or “not manly enough” punchlines.
Like, I consider the Wayne Brady skit to be near perfection. But it is still predicated on chapelle platforming an asshole who randomly threw shade at someone for “not being black enough” and the core of the joke is that the actual Wayne Brady is “lesser”.
And you can see this with a lot of the “how could anyone have expected this person was problematic?” comedians like louis ck and the like.
MataVatnikThank you. I always thought Dave Chappelle was a spiteful comedian, and actually was not very funny. He just turned that energy towards trans people so now he’s become a problem for people. But he was never really that funny to begin with, and the root of his jokes always had some sort of vitriol.
Spiteful comedy feels good as long as it punches up. Not necessarily funny, but schadenfreude, cathartic, or just relief seeing them ‘get taken down a peg.’ It invites controversy when the artist and the audience disagree on the power structure. Chappellle falls apart around transgender, because he thinks he’s punching up to that group, where I imagine most people believe that trans are close to the bottom of the oppression spectrum. Chappelle’s argument basically being something like, “Well, they can ‘pass’ if they just match gender presentation to biological sex, and a lot of them are white.,” but having to hide your membership in a group is the opposite of power.
Watching him Vs trans people is like watching MRA Vs feminism. Or politicians Vs PC. imagined privilege and victimhood complexing over some mere inconveniences and uncomfortable truths.
No one has ever been pulled over by the police for being trans…
Yeah, it’s not like the Stonewall riots started when the police tried to arrest a black trans woman for being gay. Oh, wait…
His entire thing is just punching down.
I think, during his prime, he was more “punching sideways” as it were. I have seen a lot of similar “comedians” from the asian/AAPI perspective.
Much like comedians like Chris Rock and dave chapelle were almost “the anti-cosby” (uhm… cosby the comedian not cosby the rapist). The idea is that there was so much media dedicated to a mix of “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” and “black people can be white people too”, there was a strong pushback of “While not all of us do, some of us do live in the hood and love fried chicken and orange soda”
So there was a lot of “good natured” ribbing. But… it tended to have the impact of being “black comedy for white people”. Because it was less “ha ha, I am punching you in the arm because we are friends” and more “I am punching you in the arm to show that I am better than you and belong with the ‘upper class’”
We have more or less been living it on the AAPI side for the past decade or so. In the 00s and, to a lesser extent, the 10s it was pretty much standard for the best friend on a sitcom to be the whitest chinese guy imaginable. Albeit, because you can’t be racist against asians, we still had the horrific stereotypes too (shout outs to Apu!). In recent years, we have seen a strong push toward more or less our “Fresh Prince of Bel-Air”. Media that acknowledges that… yeah, we do play a lot of violin and fuck you if you are the one PhD at a family dinner full of MDs (its cool, you are still better than the JSD. Cousin Wendy was straight up uninvited). But also the acknowledgement that we face a lot of discrimination too.
But also… we have seen an increase in the number of, for lack of a better term, minstrel comedians. People like “Uncle Roger” who, on the surface, are poking fun at the kernel of truth behind stereotypes but that mostly are making us long for the days of david carradine while giving all the white comedians and youtubers opportunities to make the same jokes that they previously knew were “off limits”.
And… chapelle was very much the “Uncle Roger” level of humor. In film he would always play the cranked up stereotype (that mostly existed so that white people could cheer for Martin Lawrence whenever Blue Streak was on TBS). And with his show and standup it was always very much “Ha ha, we are kind of fucked up and funny, right?” levels of “punching sideways”.
This is insane revisionist history. Watch “killing them softly” and try to make the same comments. Don’t bother replying with “I’ve seen it and it’s not funny!!!”, everyone knows it’s one of the greatest stand-up specials of all time
No, no revisionism here. I actually never liked the guy and didn’t understand why he was so popular.
Fair. I, along with a vast majority of western audiences, thought he was king of comedy for a solid 5 years in the early 2000s. Thanks for being civil.
But also…watch “killing them softly”. Do yourself a favor, it’s fantastic.
I definitely did, might give it a second go.
Cheers, buddy.
ArugulaZAs a fan of game shows, I have a great admiration for Wayne Brady. He's genuinely good at being a master of ceremonies... unlike some other improv comedians who got game shows. Drew Carey. Cough. Cough.
Drew Carey.
He’s doing a fantastic job with Price is Right, leave my boy Drew alone.
I feel the same. He was a beloved icon of comedy and “speaking truth to power” and now he’s just an old man who sees no problem with NIMBYism and gay bashing.
Yep. I wanted to believe he has made some miscalculations with previous jokes. But literally wasn’t even trying to be funny in that special. I kept waiting for it. He lost me with that one and this photo further cements it. He couldn’t possibly not know who that bitch is right?
It would be so incredibly easy to shut up about trans people… But some people are just so bothered by them they cannot help themselves. I don’t get it.
canthidiumIt would be so incredibly easy to shut up about trans people
It was like 4 or 5 specials in a row too. He was a surprise opener when I saw Jon Mulaney last year and he went on another trans rant there. Very disappointing.
Damn. I didn’t know it went back that far. I remember him making one or two trans jokes that didn’t land but nothing I couldn’t chock up to a mistake. But the last one I saw he literally talked for 30 minutes about trans people. None of it was nice or funny.
I don’t really “go out” much. If somebody is extremely unhappy about the surprise opener, would it be fair for them to ask for their money back and leave? Or would you just get ignored
Probably depends on the venue. But openers are usually only 5-15 min or so anyway, depending on how many and how the show is structured. Chappelle was disappointing, but not enough to ruin the rest of the show. I was happy to stay for Jon Mulaney’s set which was fantastic.
He’s an entertainer. Controversy gets views. It might be that simple. So I don’t judge him as a person for those jokes, I have no idea hos real views. But, I do judge him for being the kind of person to use controversy to make money and be popular. I think that should be classified as a mental illness.
Have you seen “The Closer”? His long segment about trans people didn’t contain many, if any, jokes.
What? Choosing to bash the existence of real people for views isn’t better. It’s legitimately worse than people who earnestly believe these things. At least they’re trying to improve things as they see it, even if it’s still horrible. Anyone promoting hate like this just for clout and money is the lowest of the low.
Humour doesn’t require punching down. He used to punch up, which made him both hilarious and insightful at the same time, particularly while deconstructing issues of race relations in the US. Now he’s just another angry old man who likes to rant about things he doesn’t understand. That’s not humour; that’s a letter to the editor at the New York Post.
He probably reads Dilbert, too.
I’m not sure why you would invest any emotional attachment into any celebrity.
Comedians, especially those who you watch perform for many hours over many years, are different from just any celebrity. Especially when they espouse a point of view that resonates, until suddenly it doesn’t. PS I don’t think about Dave Chappelle ever until he pops his head up with (these days) something shitty to say
I disagree but that’s fine.
You’re still living in denial. He can do no wrong by you.
Only article I could find is Newsweek but seems to be accurate he was taking pictures with a few others, and nothing of the sort was discussed
Democratic advocacy group, Call to Activism, tweeted that Chappelle claimed a number of lawmakers had asked him for photos during his visit to the Capitol.
But then the comedian reportedly claimed he was “blindsided” by her tweet saying he “understood that there were two genders.”
“It’s a shame she tricked me,” Chappelle is reported to have said. “I had two tickets to Beetlejuice and I was going to give her one!”
“Beetlejuice” was the musical that led to public ridicule beingheaped on Boebert. She and her date were ejected from a performance of the musical adaptation in Denver for groping, vaping and talking during the show.
He’s not even posing. He’s standing there holding his arms awkwardly while this woman takes a selfie in front of him.
I don’t understand why this image has become so widespread. It doesn’t contain evidence for what the title claims. Bobart is dishonest and celebrities pose for selfies. This is not good evidence of transphobia one way or the other.
Because it exists in the context of his behavior over the last few years of becoming increasingly anti-trans and just shitty overall. It’s not so farfetched to see this and believe he’s in on it.
Then why not post examples of said behavior?
Because that’s not the point of my comment? We both know what I’m talking about, and several posts in this very thread go into more detail. If you seriously don’t see the problems with it, I’m not the one who’s going to convince you otherwise.
But I doubt you’re quite so genuine. So go take your “just asking for evidence” trolling elsewhere.
I’m asking rhetorically. Why is this bullshit being posted and getting tons of traction as if a celebrity begrudgingly appearing in a selfie is evidence of their opinion?
He has made pretty clear statements on the subject.
Why is this bullshit being posted and getting tons of traction
I already said - context. If none of the anti-trans stuff happened, nobody would care about this photo. And nobody’s using this as “evidence”. It’s just more shit on the pile.
The tweet is still up, though?
No, he just dehumanizes trans people and reduces them to their genitals and is generally tone-deaf to all of that.
Quotes from The Closer:
“…The transgenders…”
“Every time I come out onstage, I be scared. I be lookin’ around the crowd, searching. For knuckles and Adam’s apples to see where the threats might be coming from.”
“And then she hikes her skirt up and she pulls a real live, meaty dick out!”
“If I was honest, I wouldn’t have fallen for it. I’d have just looked at the picture like, “Look at that big chiseled jawline, that big thick Joe Rogan neck. Is that a dude? Is your daughter a man?” Can’t say that shit. It’s really annoying.”
“…trans-bitch from the picture.”
“A couple of more drinks and these fellows are gonna start asking her for some pussy, she might not have.”
“I was careful to call her a bitch, ’cause I didn’t want to blow her cover.”
" “Well.” I am a girl now, n*gger. You must treat me as such."
“Gender is a fact.”
“Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?”
“I’m not saying it is not pussy, but that’s like Beyond Pussy or Impossible Pussy. You know what I mean? It tastes like pussy but that’s not quite what it is, is it? It’s not blood, that is beet juice.”
I’m not going to quote his story about the one trans person who passed whatever litmus test he decided to implement to determine if someone deserves his respect or not, but it summed up to the equivalent of someone saying something racist and finishing with, “well, I have black friends, though!”
Literal hot trash
Yeah ok but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to just lie about the initial post.
【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】This is such a dumb take.
Friend, it’s a comedy special. He’s a comedian. It’s not like when one of these bigots says a bunch of biggoted shit and then tries to escape responsibility by saying they were just joking. Dave Chapelle is actually telling jokes, though.
And get this…you don’t need to laugh at it. But the special you’re quoting from was filmed in front of a live show and was a smash hit, and that’s to be expected because dude fairly consistently brings the house down wherever he goes. The crowds have voted. There’s no such thing as a successful comedian who isn’t funny to most people and plenty of Chappelle fans, comedy fans, and comedians, say Dave Chappelle is the living GOAT.
You’ve taken every quote out of context and in doing so you obviously you killed the jokes and maligned the comedian. Stick to your day job you don’t know shit about funny.
calling the 2nd half of the closer comedy is really a stretch. also, it is exactly like that.
Oh really? Was the crowd laughing? They voted. It’s was comedy.
You don’t really need to be funny to “most people” as a comedian to be successful, though, you just need to be funny to the vast majority of your audience. There are like 300 million people in the US, if you were even funny to 3 million people, or 1% of the population, you could be a modestly successful comedian commuting between cities and releasing little specials. I also find it weird to say that someone else “don’t know shit about funny”: I thought it was pretty obvious that comedy was subjective, and not something that has any actual winning formula like the pretentious old guard of comedians would have everyone believe, as is in their best interest.
Really parsing things. You don’t get to be a legendary comedian without being funny. The killers are wanted in all 50 states.
That wasn’t really my point, I was just saying one man’s funny is another man’s transphobic, and that you can make money and be successful by being funny to like. I dunno, 5% of the population, rather than “most people”.