@jonny glad you're sharing this, it overlaps with this I'm reading today: "Overcoming bias in the comparison of human language and animal communication"

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2218799120?TOC_v120_i47=

cites @dingemansemark

I need to read this now so I don't commit the sin of not being precise enough when I talk about turn-taking!

@nicholdav @jonny thanks for your interest! Indeed, the notions of turn-taking in the broad vs narrow sense are intended to serve as conceptual coordinates that hopefully enable more precision.

From my reading (and work with primatologists https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rstb.2021.0110 ), TTB covers most if not all work on vertebrates, humans included; we merely caution that the more specific features of TTN observed in humans should not be assumed to also hold — this is where more work is needed

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Its not relevant to turn taking, but I went to quote something I remember writing in sections 1.4 and 1.5 about how we need to carefully define what we are trying to generalize in cross species models of language in my first and likely only straight ahead Science paper, but i remembered now that we had to take it out to shoehorn it into the journal process, and rereading it I truly hate this paper because it is nothing like what I wanted to say because of that.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wehr-lab/SaundersWehr-JASA2019/master/manuscript/SaundersWehr_JASA2019_retypeset.pdf

That bit of self centeredness to say I agree, and think the ways the many overlapping facets of language differ is much more interesting than assuming all languagelike phenomena are alike all over. I still think studying categorical phonetic perception in animal models is an extremely interesting way to study audition in general, but not because we think the mice are learning English or whatever.