Jaelyn 🏳️‍🌈Nov 28, 2023
I'm sorry, did you forget the last 200 years of technological progress advancing productivity yet leading us to work even longer hours? If we want to work less, we need unions, not tech.
Show threadThe Mo 

@jaelisp Fuck AI.

Support workers by supporting unions.

THATS how we will get a 4 day work week and much more.

The only thing majority of AI is being used for now is to do more harm than good to our society and our planet, being influenced by the corrupt monsters who think they are our betters.

Nov 29, 2023 at 2:06amWeb
Show threadCount Regal InkwellNov 29, 2023
@Chromino @jaelisp The 5-day work week was won by fighting, not "technological progress". People died to get us where we are.

It is naïve and stupid to think that the 4 day work week (or anything else really) will come without a fight. We should count ourselves fortunate if they don't send in the army to shell unionized workers, as they did to those demanding the 5 day work week back in the day.

Left to their own, the Industrialists that own the machines will never let an advancement in automation result in less work or more wealth for their slaves. Trickle down only works when the rich are bleeding.
Show threadJohn Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺Nov 29, 2023

@VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp

Note how the benefits in gains in productivity shifted away from worker pay after the most notable tax cuts for the rich, both post-JFK and especially during the Reagan years.

#TaxTheRich #economics

Show threadWeltzeitgeistNov 29, 2023
@larsweisbrod Der Punkt darf nie vergessen werden, wenn es um Arbeitszeitverkürzungen geht. Anstatt mehr Geld für 30 oder 25 Wochenstunden an Arbeiter/Angestellte zu bezahlen, floß das ganze Geld in die Taschen der 1%, weltweite Oasen und sonstige Deals. Die Aufarbeitung der letzten 30-40 Jahre findet nicht einmal statt, stattdessen heißt nur: Mehr Wein aus den selben Schläuchen. Wird sich halt nur nich viel länger ausgehen, aber who cares..
Show threadBill SeitzNov 29, 2023
@johnlogic @VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp some links/quotes picking at this framing
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/GDI
GDI

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Show threadChuffMeisterDec 22, 2023
@jaelisp @johnlogic @Chromino @VinesNFluff it’s a slow motion robbery
Show threadJohn Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺Dec 22, 2023

@ChuffMeister @jaelisp @Chromino @VinesNFluff

Like frogs in a pot, not realizing that the water is being heated to a boil...

Show threadAndii אַנדִֽיDec 22, 2023
@johnlogic @VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp
When I was at primary school, one of our teachers said we'd need to be educated for leisure because we'd only need to work 15 hours a week. I'm still waiting, but this charts where our leisure time went: it became private jets, yachts, mansions, bunkers and offshore accounts for the rentier class.
Show threadJohn Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺Dec 22, 2023

@Andii @VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp

I'd guess that your teacher was just parroting something that they'd been taught, perhaps during the post war boom of the 1950s.

Show threadAndii אַנדִֽיDec 23, 2023
@johnlogic @VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp
Parrotting , I know now, John Maynard Keynes.
'parrrotting' is probably unfair: I now realise he was quite a remarkable teacher and quite possibly understood Keynes.
Show threadJohn Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺Dec 23, 2023

@Andii @VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp

I'm glad that you had a remarkable teacher, and that you remember him as such!

Also, I'm amused by how much change I've seen already in my own lifetime regarding economic thought. Though we're taught Keynes (among many others), accepted economic principles have evolved quite a bit. (Remember "trickle-down" theory?) Though I treasure an Encyclopedia Britannica from 1976 (the edition I recall from my youth), when I read its section on economics (nearly 20 years ago already), I found it quaint...

Show threadAndii אַנדִֽיDec 24, 2023
@johnlogic @VinesNFluff @Chromino @jaelisp
''Remember" trickle-down? If only it were just a memory!
Discredited zombie theory.
Show threadprincess trashfire  Nov 29, 2023

@Chromino @jaelisp

The effects of AI on labor relations today in many ways parallels the effects of automation in the past.

In theory it could be used to improve workers' lives for the benefit of society as a whole; in practice, it's used to further exploit workers and futher alienate them from their labor.

Show threadprincess trashfire  Nov 29, 2023

@Chromino @jaelisp

I keep thinking back to past experience as a floor worker in manufacturing. Automation eliminated tedious aspects of an assembly line, but created new tedious tasks.

State of the art automation led to people loading empty trays into a machine continuously over a 12-hour shift.

Instead of designing automation/AI processes around people, we're optimizing for productivity and making workers' roles functionally subservient to the machines they operate.

The situation has been and continues to be fucked.