Moonrise2473ownCloud becomes part of Kiteworks
AppoxoOoooor it will become a free vs corporate solution like RedHat and the likes do.
Portainer also does it for example. I think LDAP-Auth is paywalled but it makes sense that features like that are.
Portainer also does it for example. I think LDAP-Auth is paywalled but it makes sense that features like that are.
It might be, but in the history of that corp, they never had a free/community/oss project. It looks like the typical Embrace Extend Extinguish strategy, where you acquire competitors just to get their customer base instead of the real product. OC 10 it’s already dead (no php 8 support) and ocis has almost no plugins.
Didn’t know about their history.
If that was the case: Fun while it lasted. Havent used it thus far but I wasn’t against the situation if it justified the use of it.
If that was the case: Fun while it lasted. Havent used it thus far but I wasn’t against the situation if it justified the use of it.
Something Burger 🍔I think LDAP-Auth is paywalled but it makes sense that features like that are
Yes! As soon as your homelab grows above a couple of services and especially if it's used by two or more people SSO becomes an absolute necessity! The tolerance of non-technical users for handling a bunch of passwords and having to enter them everywhere is understandably low.
The Home Assistant devs apparently also deal SSO as "a corporate feature that big-corp interests want to force onto us" whereas it's the exact opposite in many cases: If we want self hosted services to be a realistic alternative to the "big corpo offerings" then we have to consider convenience and security an important feature and SSO is one of the few things that improves both at the same time.
Here’s to hoping that your users aren’t using Portainer to manage their Docker stacks haha
Idk why you’d need LDAP login as the admin for a homelab.
For other things like owncloud it makes sense but not there but eh…Personal preference I guess.
For other things like owncloud it makes sense but not there but eh…Personal preference I guess.
Once I've set up SSO I'd want to use it in as many places as possible. Not having to handle additional unnecessary passwords is a benefit.
I have something like 40-60 machines between hypervisors, VM, and physical. Central auth is an absolute must for that scale. Sure I could just re use the same password 60 times, but if that gets popped, I’d also have to change it 60 times (adding config management is a soon to be completed task)
You can’t call that a home environment anymore.
That is corporate scale and imo can be monetized
That is corporate scale and imo can be monetized
PeachManThat’s what it already is.
How has ownCloud development compared to NextCloud since the split?
Since a couple years ago they abandoned the php version (=nextcloud) and they are in the process of a complete rewrite in go, which that means is faster and uses less resources but all existing plugins need to be rewritten too, and given the small user base nobody is going to do that.
Ooh interesting, never knew they started a rewrite!
The reports of poor performance with the PHP version was one of the things that pushed me towards using Syncthing instead when I was looking for a solution to view my documents and files from various devices
RobotToasterPHP will outlive us all.
caseyweedermanAnd Java will still be active long after the heat-death of the universe
If python is still around why not?
BjörnJust to support all the COBOL.
Hold on… owncloud is in go? I have much higher hopes for that. PHP is terrible, even to manage.
they call it “owncloud infinite scale” but for some reason they don’t clearly specify that it’s designed for performance, and it has nothing to do with the previous version. They even start the introduction page with this:
Welcome to oCIS, the modern file-sync and share platform, which is based on our knowledge and experience with the PHP based ownCloud server.
If you read that a platform is based on their knowledge and experience with PHP, would you guess that they’re talking about a complete rewrite in go?
Badly. Nextcloud is a very active project with many plugins and integrations. You can even integrate a mail system and AI image tagging, chat and video calls.
Owncloud focussed more on the enterprise sector and less on fancy features. Definitely the more stable product (but not only in the positive sense).
AnanaceHas anything actually happened in ownClouds development?
The last I saw of them was FOSDEM a few years back, where NextCloud were handing out whitepapers and showing off their new Hub, chat, VoIP stack, group sharing system, and more. And ownCloud were sat somewhat opposite with two people and a screen showing a screenshot of a default ownCloud install, along with a big sign hanging from the ceiling saying “Join the winning team.”
SamsyThat happened to owncloud dev? I wish it would be the same at nextcloud! They fully geht rid of PHP. Its called OCIS and is a single binary or docker container.
OCIS is in early stage and lacks some features, but it is really easy to install and works flawlessly on low resources.
It’s great to hear that they’re not just giving up. And it’s also definitely good to hear that they’re not sticking with PHP either, that language is a true bane to modern hosting - and especially Kubernetes.
I’ll remain cautiously optimistic that they’ll be able to stay relevant, and not go hard in again on cutting away core functionality in the name of enterprise offerings - what caused the NextCloud split in the first place.
Actually I don’t even have cal-, or webdav activated. But for my usecase, simple cloud, it works really promising.
𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬What is a good selfhosted cloud service?
Nextcloud?
Despite the common phrase, “cloud” doesn’t mean “other people’s computers” and despite the utility to the self-hosting community, products like Owncloud aren’t meant for our use case.
Personally I think nextcloud is bloated with too many extra things. I’ve been using Seafile for 5+ years and it’s been great.
well fuck.
now i need to move my stuff off my own owncloud instace.
Did you not switch to Nextcloud a while back?
nop, i’m using owncloud ocis, the go version
You need to keep up that was so last year. the new hottnes is switching back the owncloud because it is so light weight. But now i am guessing the new new hotness is switch from owncloud to Nextcloud.
TiritibambixFuck me. I switched to owncloud yesterday because I can’t stand nextcloud anymore.
Owncloud feels lighter, faster, and just works.
Whhhhhhyyyyyy ?
roofuskitWorst case, it gets forked again.
Hummm… This kinda sucks ! Moving to seafile then ! Hope their native apps are as good as owncloud’s !
GoodtoknowWhy not nextcloud? Seafile files stores in a proprietary database
I used nextcloud for a year or so, but found the web GUI/apps slow, bloated and sometimes way to buggy ! Switch to owncloud for the simplicity of only having a cloud system without to much bloat.
I just read through the seafile documentation and yeah this is also not going to happen. Maybe I should switch to a simple webdav server…
u_tamtamCouldn’t you just install nextcloud and none of the apps you don’t need? I mean, it’s pretty modular…
Possibly linuxHow was it setup? Make sure you are using a good SQL backend or else it will be slow.
Its also received a bunch of live recently so it may be worth another look. I would be very careful trusting seafile as it sounds like a locked down proprietary solution
I’ll just stick with Nextcloud
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