Turkey is over-rated - Lemmy.World

I’ve had turkey just about every possible way it can be cooked, and it just isn’t that good. Doesn’t matter how juicy or dry and it doesn’t matter what herbs or spices are used, it just not that tasty. Give me a brisket or a standing rib roast or just about anything that isn’t turkey for thanksgiving.

Thought you were talking about the country at first
Who says he isn’t?
But have you been to Istanbul with rosemary in your pockets!?
All hungarians were hungry to see this comment
Glad I’m not the only one
Yeah I was going to say I assumed he meant the country, perhaps as a holiday destination 🤦‍♂️
Turkey Club Sandwich is ok, but bacon is pulling all the flavor weight on that one. Turkey meat is generally healthier than chicken meat though, so it’s got that going for it.
How is it healthier? They are both so lean already
Turkey is leaner. However I am not convinced that it matters. Heathy fats>>carbs.
Good more for me!
Indeed! Enjoy it! :)
I did a few days ago, and today. Self raised turkey is soooo much better

I’m with you. It’s the most boring meat around.

I have heard that wild turkey tastes much better, but I’ve never tried it, as I’m not a hunter.

There’s a reason we only eat it once a year. It’s so bland.
Deli turkey is an extremely common year round food.
And it's good because it's brined and/or peppered. People need to brine their turkeys.
I'd have to say that either chicken breast or lean pork is the most boring meat around. Turkey breast is probably number three, though.
I shared your opinion until I recently had a properly smoked turkey for the first time. It was juicy and smokey and incredibly flavorful.
Because of the smoke. But while I don’t have as strong a feeling as op on this since it’s very much a first world problem, turkey really has a bland, inoffensive taste while I could smoke a rat to be delicious.
Hey you the guy selling smoked rats?

[Whips open one side of long coat revealing a display of smokey smelling rats]

Mesquite, hickory or applewood?

That’s probably because they’re domesticated and bred for breast size and not flavor. The same thing happened to pork.

You can fix this by brining the turkey and adding aromatics to the chest cavity before roasting if you don’t have a smoker.

My point is, if you gotta do that, it’s not good meat.

If that's the case then chicken, pork, and most cuts of beef aren't "good meat" either. I can't think of a food that doesn't benefit from added flavor. Even pork belly gets cured and smoked to become bacon.

I guess wild foods have flavor without needing cooking and seasoning. But a lot of cooking techniques are there to disguise their gamey flavor.

Fair enough. Good food is good food. And I wouldn’t say no if I thought there was a chance it could be amazing. But I would also never request it, nor would I decide to make it myself.

I’ve had turkey roasted, brined, smoked and fried. People eating it would say “Mmmm this turkey is AMAZING!”, and I’d be interested thinking this would be the time that I’d like turkey. But each time I’m left with a plateful of disappointment and sadness, and I’m thinking my friends and family are insane.

Could just be that my tastebuds aren’t tuned for turkey.

Is that unpopular though?

Who even eats turkey asides from Americans on Thanksgiving?

Loads of people worldwide. They’re just not cultural touchstones like they are for North Americans.
Is this true? Are turkeys raised worldwide now? They're native to North America and I've never really heard of other peoples eating turkey.

I ate turkey in Germany in the '80s already. It wasn’t super-common, but it was there. My family tended to have goose at Christmas dinners, but turkey was an option that was frequently used by others.

Wackypedia says:

  • Turkeys are traditionally eaten as the main course of Thanksgiving dinner feasts in the United States and Canada, and at Christmas dinner feasts in much of the rest of the world (often as stuffed turkey).
  • Turkey was eaten in as early as the 16th century in England.
  • While the tradition of turkey at Christmas spread throughout Britain in the 17th century, among the working classes, it became common to serve goose, which remained the predominant roast until the Victorian era.

Here’s a turkey farming operation in Ampfing, Germany. That one operation slaughters and sells 3000 tons of turkey a year, apparently.

Turkey consumption per capita statistics show that Germany, for example, is about 3.4kg annually per capita vs. the USA’s 7.5, Hungary’s 9, and Israel’s (?!) 13.

Unfortunately statistics on this seem a bit incomplete. The first site lists 11 nations only. Over here they list 7, but barely have any overlap with the first site. More information gives some solid figures on the production and export of turkey meat. … And so on and so on and so on. So yes, turkeys are raised and consumed worldwide.

Turkey as food - Wikipedia

Interesting, thanks for sharing!
Thanksgiving is very American, but turkey is a common christmas dinner in the UK at least, and probably fairly common across Europe
But that only proves OP's point. Turkey is almost always only eaten on a holiday because it's a tradition, and basically no one ever chooses to eat it when they're deciding what to eat for any other regular meal during the year

It could also be because fewer Americans have time to spend cooking dinner, and turkeys are large, cumbersome, and time consuming to cook well. I love to cook, and I love to cook turkey. I’ve converted a good amount of people over the years who said they don’t enjoy it.

All that said, I only make it three or four times a year for the reasons above. That, and it’s not practical when you’re cooking for two unless you can find butchered pieces. I’m making a duck instead today, but I wish I was making turkey.

That's exactly how I feel about duck, although it takes less attention and time than a turkey does. I really love it, but it is a bit of a process, especially with the making of the gravy (if you've never had duck gravy, you really need to) and whatever sides you want to have. Roasting a chicken as much simpler if not as satisfying.
I may default to duck if only cooking for myself or one other person. It turned out great! I have not had duck gravy, but now I must. I made a cranberry cherry chutney last night that was pretty satisfying, though.
Yeah, I don't know why every recipe wants to pair duck with a fruity sauce. Sure, that's good, but it goes great with gravy as well.

The logic here doesn’t work for me. Moon cakes are generally eaten only in the week surrounding the Mid-Autumn Festival here in China. It’s traditional, see. Yet they’re incredibly yummy and were they available at other times they’d likely be consumed cheerfully. In Hubei there’s a special dish of “birthday noodles” eaten basically only on your birthday. (And only by you; the rest of your family doesn’t get them.) They’re also incredibly delicious … and literally eaten only once a year.

The fact that something is eaten only seasonally or by special occasion doesn’t mean that it’s not tasty. It means that it’s special, nothing more.

That just not true, people eat turkey all the time. Every sandwich shop has a turkey sandwich year round. Now do people cook a 15-20 pound turkey regularly? Absolutely not because it’s time consuming and you would need a gathering every time because a normal size family is not gonna eat that much food hence why we cook them a few times a year.
I eat it outside the holidays. They’re cheaper and if you use the whole bird you can get like a week’s worth of meals out of one.
A whole turkey is more like a month's worth of meals for me. I'd definitely need to be using the freezer. You can eat it as is, make sandwiches, soups, pot pies.... I can get a week's worth of food out of a chicken, so I can only imagine how much I would get out of a turkey.
You can get turkey sandwiches from any deli year round in the States, and they’re pretty popular
Tell me you've only ever had overcooked turkey without saying you've only had overcooked turkey. Moistness is not a certain sign of properly cooked.
If it’s that hard to cook most people haven’t had it and liked it… it’s still bad. It’s easy to cook a delicious chicken in an air fryer.
That’s like saying that poison fish (fugu?) isn’t good because the average joe can’t prepare it without killing the whole dinner party.
To be fair, I have had fugu in Japan and it is incredibly bland. People are only interested in it because it's poisonous if you don't prepare it just right.
It’s just impossible that he has a preference? What a stupid take.
Nah fam this is like the “I don’t like vegetables” crowd who’ve only had boiled or steamed vegetables and thinks that’s the only way they taste
“I don’t like vegetables” vs “I prefer other meats to turkey” is vastly different. I agree that the I don’t like vegetables people are dumb, but comparing that to this is a huge straw man. I guarantee you that I would vastly prefer the best brisket in the world to the best turkey.
I’m going to agree with you. Turkey is just not that great.
I liked how the original sub had food as a banned topic because everyone’s taste buds are different

Yeah, I could understand difference in tastebuds being a thing, but why ban it if everyone is respectful. I guess I can see that some people might get a little too heated about it.

I don’t begrudge anyone that likes turkey, and I’ll probably try it again hoping to not be disappointed. Maybe one day I won’t be. So far that hasn’t been the case.

For me thanksgiving is about being with people I care the most about.

We started doing a rib roast for thanksgiving a few years ago. So much better than turkey!

I also do baked skin-on chicken thighs regularly, which we also like better than turkey, that we simply never have a craving for turkey.

You and me are homies forever now.
How do you like to do your rib roast? I'd like to do more ribs.

My Mom showed me a reverse sear method, which I’ve followed for a few years now and has given me a perfectly cooked roast every time. I’ve fiddled a bit with the exact temperatures and cook times, but here’s my latest iteration. You NEED a meat thermometer!

  • Night before: scour fat on top, season with salt, pepper, whatever other rub marinade - our meat market sells an amazing wet rub thing that we use.
  • Remove from fridge 2 hours before cooking. I usually stick meat thermometer in at this point, stick it in from the side so that most of the thermometer is inside and the tip is approximately at the middle of the roast. This has given me the most consistent results with temperatures.
  • Cook in oven at 185F until center is 118F (about 4-5 hours for my boneless 5 pound roast)
  • Remove, tent with foil, and rest for about 20 minutes (center should come up to about 125F while resting)
  • Cook in oven at 500F for another 12 minutes (necessary for brown crust and caramelizing fat)
  • Remove and rest for another 10 minutes.

I did a 5 pound boneless ribeye roast today, and this whole process took about 7 hours. Probably will try bone-in next year, as I didn’t realize the meat market I buy from does the remove bones and tie back together thing.