return2ozmaWake-up Call: Democrats could easily lose the White House and Senate next year
RadButNotAChadDoes anyone not think that?
The people who think fascism could never come here, I guess?
đąđđđđđđđđThe people who think now is the time to make a moral stand by voting 3p
Every time is the time to vote for what you support. If you did we wouldnât be stuck with neoliberal ghouls like Biden.
You are absolutely correct, instead youâd have the literal fascist Trump instead.
It sucks, but as lang as you guys have the first-past-the-post (2 party) voting system, voting for the lesser evil is the best one can do.
The only way to change that is to vote for candidates that support other voting systems like ranked choice voting.
Sorry, but youâre not going to get ranked choice voting just by pretending you already have it. FPTP and the electoral college are realities of US politics and the âlesser of two evilsâ approach is the only realistic way to play the game.
The executive branch is the wrong place to try to achieve ranked choice voting anyway. Vote for legislative candidates who support ranked choice. If nobody is talking about it, call your representatives. Start petitions. Join grassroots organizations. Anything, but donât fool yourself into thinking the path to fixing our issues involves voting for Jill Stein over Biden next year.
Iâm not pretending we have ranked choice voting, in fact I know we donât, why I vote for candidates that support ranked choice voting.
Iâll be voting for the candidate that does in each level of government. The greens would run more congressional candidates if you would support and fund them instead of voting for their opposition.
Those people should probably take a look at the Nazi march that went down in Wisconsin yesterday if they think itâs not or canât happen in the US.
linearchaosA shocking amount of news never makes it out.
Wait you can lose elections? Shit âŚ
I donât think about this ever. Iâm literally waiting for one of those two worthless parties to die.
Oh, itâs both parties are the same so Iâll do nothing guy!
theneverfoxThe Democratic party leadership doesnât seem to understand it
GodlessCommieWhen their entire campaign was based on âwe are not Trumpâ then turned out they were exactly like Trump and his policies, they deserve to lose.
Demonstrate how they are exactly like Trump.
- Kept the trump tax cuts
- Same immigration policies
- dumping billions into war machine
- kept Trumpâs tariffs
- DeJoy still running USPS, and nominated board of governors keeping him
- hasnât done shit for wages or healthcare
- Net neutrality still fucked up
- Same foreign policy
- Debt through the roof
- Bidenomics is killing us
- healthcare still out of reach
- kicked millions off Medicaid
- cut billions from SNAP
- double child poverty
- etc etc etc
WARNING. This person is being disingenuous and is arguing in bad faith.
Their purpose here is to get you to engage so they have more space to spread their propaganda. Donât fall for it.
Appreciate ya posting this
FuglyDuckheh. Youâre not wrong. but, eh, you just engaged⌠:)
No bad faith here, liberals turn a kind eye to genocide and continuing most of trumps horrible policies
Iâm with you, a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for genocide.
lol fuck outta here
Doesnât matter what the headlines or the opinion polls say. Vote like democracy depends on it!
qwertilliopasdI voted for that bowl of tapioca once and Iâll do it again.
Iâll likely vote someone else in the primaries though.
There will not be a primary
This is the problem, DNC is refusing to hold a primary and is hell bent on forcing one of the only dem candidates who can lose to Trump upon us.
This is mostly about Bidenâs ego - he thinks his legacy requires 2 terms. But what of his legacy if he loses the election, and democracy, all at the same time?! Itâs madness.
Call your reps. Call the whitehouse. Demand a primary be held so this Titanic can avoid that MASSIVE orange iceberg, because itâs dead ahead right now and weâre barreling towards it.
ăJăăuăăsăătăăZăThis is the modern tradition. Heâs the incumbent. We need to support him. Heâs already proven he can beat Trump by a wide margin.
Not sure if sarcasm or?âŚ
Biden barely beat Trump in 2020. It was by 40k votes in 5 swing states, and the latest polling shows Biden down badly in those same states this time around.
Snap out of your delusion
ĂnimaPolls donât mean dick. Please donât repeat 2016.
Peopleâs opinions when voting matter, and just cause you donât want to think about 2016 and think this tiny bubble of influence is enough doesnât mean it cant happen again. You need to have a plan and embrace reality. Biden is, in fact, in trouble of losing.
He won by 4.5%, seven million votes, and 70 delegates.
And Trumpâs base is dying off.
Trumps base is NOT dying off. They and their kids are saturated with non-stop radical right wing propaganda all day long every day in their trucks, their barns, their shops. The youth are actively courted incessantly.
Trumps base is NOT dying off
Wonder what the effects of corona will show in this next election. And of course there are new GOP kids, but not nearly to the same extent as the other way around.
7 million?! This is a tragic misconception. Do you understand how the electoral college works? Trump LOST the popular vote to Hillary, and still won in 2016.
Biden won by a slim margin of 40k votes across 5 key swing states in 2020, all of which polling shows he is now losing to Trump. Polls also show he is down by over 10% nationally, which means he has no chance. Heâs an incumbent who has dropped below 40% approval rating nationallyâŚthis means he has 0% chance of winning.
Open your eyes. Facts matter.
I donât live in the US so I donât have a horse in this race
But it just seems like half of the people here canât qualify Bidenâs successes (and why heâd be worth a second voting for again) and the other half are just scared that Trump is on his way back and therefore the Dems need to vote like crazy to keep him out, regardless of how lacklustre his current term was.
Iâll say it here: he lost the popular vote with his unequivocal support for Israel. As a self proclaimed Zionist, he chose Israelâs genocide of Gaza over Trumpâs victory and too many voters are going to remember that over whatever heâs going to promise (which so far is nothing. Jus His campaign so far is just reminding everyone that the other guy exists).
Thereâs no way Dems win this one, unless Biden cedes to a more worthwhile candidate.
I really donât think Gaza will be a defining issue in the 2024 election. Itâs already fallen out of the news cycle and Gaza city will be under full occupation by next Nov.
Trump, however, will be in the middle of taking a huge beating by all his court cases. Thereâs zero chance he ever gets more support than what he had last election. The best thing we can hope for is that the GOP puts him up for another election.
Both parties have the same issue right now. Both candidates donât have great appeal. But there arenât any Democrats that have an issue voting for Biden. Heâs been fine as president. We donât have to worry about him going off half cocked all the time. The party will fall behind him. The same canât be said for Trump.
The populations of US and Canada have a memory of a frog, the people at large wonât remember a thing unless you blast in on repeat near election time.
Democrats will likely target abortion protection as it is a winning issue and message for them. Republicans might be hesitant to hold on to the Gaza issue for 10 months as it is so divisive and is best exploited when events happen, plus if pressed on what Republicans and some Democrats would do differently youâd get humming, hawing and platitudes.
If I were a US voter (Iâm not) Iâd try to look past any single event. Trump continuously stirred shit in the US and around the world and spent his time fellating dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un. His administration focused on separating families at the border, eroding net neutrality, give away money through tax breaks, ample amounts of loans that were forgiven, packing the Supreme court with cronies to twist the meaning of the Constitution. Biden on the other hand put people in charge to hold corporations and anti-competitive monopolies accountable for once, strengthen labour law, did everything in his power to reduce student debt, actually managed the Covid crisis and on and on. He did bung up a few things imo like how he handled the Iraq pullout and the rail strike but those were rough situations that I could at least still put a base amount of trust in him in the future not to fuck up too badly.
OverzeetopThatâs quite the myopic view of US national politics. Biden canât stop Netanyaho from performing escalatio on Gaza than he can force Macron to limit Franceâs trade coziness with China, affect the interaction between Pedro Sanchez and Catalan separatists, or require Erdogan to admit Sweden into NATO. He has influence, but he doesnât hold veto power over a foreign leader.
Agree with that to some extent, But he obviously can denounce BBâs atrocities to say the least. The double standard between Ukraine and Palestine is sickening
Biden can simply stop the money flow and stop yelling WE SUPPIRT ISRAEL NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!!!
There is no reason to support Israel in anything. Thereâs no value in it. It isnt even a functioning democracy (and neither are we for that matter).
Can you please explain the âisnât even a functioning democracyâ part? From my understanding it is a democracy, and their latest election got them a minority govt that had to go into coalition against their opposition. What makes it non-functioning?
It has no Constitution and has been punting on serious issues, leading to the entrenchment of the Nuttyahoo coalition.
LoL how many times has Bibi been outted but only for them to realize they had no replacement or structure on how to do anything about it and had to take him back now? What like 3 times now? Great government for the worlds largest museum for Abrahamic religions with guns.
That doesnt sound very functonal
That Biden can control Israelâs domestic policies is a false talking point promulgated by corporate media.
half of the people here canât qualify Bidenâs successes
People are happier running around bitching because it is far easier than taking the trouble to delve into the real news. The MSM is largely responsible for it. Biden has to continue aid to Israel because it is popular. What most people donât see is his behind the scene work of getting Israel to the table instead of the launch button. Biden has been working through Qatar to get Iran and Hamas to back off, simultaneously rounding up support for a multinational force to enforce a border between Israel and Palestine while possibly establishing a two state solution with international teeth.
Biden could have done whatâs best for the country and been a one term president. Iâll still vote for him but not because heâs some amazing leader or anything.
So they did it to themselves if they lose.
I see that point of view. Out of curiosity, though, do you think thereâs an obvious next in line on the bench? The only person I can think of as a no brainer for electability is Michelle Obama.
Iâm really hoping Gretchen Whitmer runs in 28 but for this cycle it would probably be Newsome. Sherrod Brown would be great but he is the only person in Ohio that could keep that senate seat blue. Manchin probably runs off Biden isnât there. Harris and buttigieg are"in line"but personally I canât stand either.
Do you think, that maybe, if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, all those âBlue No Matter Whoâ types would dog pile people not supporting that candidate?
theyâve had four years to figure that out. That they canât⌠is either a sign of gross incompetence or of intentionality. either way, at a certain point, you need to stop and realize the way itâs not worked for 30+ years is⌠not working and maybe itâs time to change things up a bit.
Do you think, that maybe, if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, all those âBlue No Matter Whoâ types would dog pile people not supporting that candidate?
It depends on how far to the right the candidate is. Get far enough to the left, and they start beinâ like âParty Unity My Assâ and start forming PACs to get Republicans elected
I mean, youâre not entirely wrong for sure. Iâm gonna upvote because itâs a really good point, worth thinking about. But I do disagree, somewhat. Trump isnât McCain. The majority of D voters are looking for someone more left, and the ones who arenât, are definitely driven by beating Trump. Itâs the party leadership that is mostly a problem here. If Biden went rogue and endorsed a leftist, which he wouldnât do, the DCCC Democrats would be desperately scrambling to undermine that candidate, any way they could, even at the expense of losing to Trump. But thatâs also, I think, kind of aside from Ensign Crabâs point, as if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, it would not be a leftist.
It wouldnât have to be a leftist. Obama wasnât, and the same people who now scream âno matter whoâ were screaming âparty unity my assâ and raising money to legitimize Sarah Palin.
She does not want to hold public office. As you may recall she wasn't treated very well.
đ˝đđđđđđđđđAt the beginning of his term, Iâd have said they were lining up Harris; black, woman, young, and they made her highly visible in the first few months. I thought for sure they were going to spend 4 years lining her up for 2024. Biden would gracefully bow out citing his age, ride the 1/2 term election cycle, and badaboom: first female president.
And then she faded away. I donât know what happened; she didnât poll well, or do well, or polling showed D chances sank without an old white guy in front⌠but it makes me kinda sad, because I thought it was a good strategy, and itâd be nice to have a run of diversity in the White House.
I swear itâs like she freaked out at the idea of the attention and just faded out of existence. Itâs so annoying cause she crushed people to get where she is and does nothing to make good use of it
They made her visible with shit no-win issues. She was put on securing voting rights, fixing the border, and recently solving gun violence. Meanwhile the big spend-money bill passes and sheâs no where to be seen. I also thought the intention was for her to inherit from Biden, but then they kind of just screwed her over and over.
She was the least (or very close to it) popular candidate in the primary and people are surprised she didnât get more popular? She is very much the definition of diversity hire, what she is checks all the boxes, what sheâs done is massively unpopular to the majority of democrat voters.