AlmightySnoo đąđźđ±đșđŠOpenAI investors' race to reinstate Sam Altman makes tech expert Gary Marcus feel 'sick to his stomach'
tsonfeirSo, the board, with no financial gain, kicks him out and now investors want to fire the board. Money wins again.
FaceDeerIf the board didn't need money they wouldn't have investors.
The AssmanThe board wants him back too. The whole thing is a clown show.
ripcordNo, they rejected that.
Zimathey wanted him back but he had the condition that they made an apology letter and cleared him of any wrongdoing. that's when they changed their minds. if this is about not apologizing to save the company they do seem incompetent.
Probably shouldnât rehire someone you probably fired over sexually assaulting his sisterâŠ
ubermeistersIs that what happened? First Iâve heard of that. Source?
themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-agâŠ
I had never heard this before but googled it.
drdiddlybadgerThatâs kind of fucked up dang.
Not just the abuse but the disconnection afterwards is fucked. And when there is smoke like this and that sort of disconnect there is bound to be other shit lurking in the background.
Ah yes âthemarysue.comâ, where I get all my news fromâŠ
Ah yes âthemarysue.comâ, where I get all my news fromâŠ
Part of what makes this particular story noteworthy is the lack of coverage for so long by news outlets, so turning your nose up because of the news outlet that wrote the story kinda misses the point.
If youâre so critical of The Mary Sue that youâre not even willing to read the article, that sounds like a self-enforced echo chamber. Youâre always free to find coverage by another news outlet or even write to a news outlet you respect asking them to cover this story.
âstatistic dont apply to me!â
ok
We arenât downvoting you because we assume that didnât happen. We are downvoting you because there is zero evidence that that is why he was fired.
Great! Iâm being down voted because you lack reading comprehension
Ironic that you are accusing us of reading comprehension issues considering your link says the following:
While we obviously donât have any insight into the companyâs decision, there is a lot of speculation being thrown about online that the move to remove Sam Altman, which came just over a month after Annie Altmanâs allegations garnered attention in October, may possibly have less to do with his business abilities snd more to do with personal controversies.
Your conclusion is based on nothing more than speculation, so you might want to work on your reading comprehension before going around accusing others of the same problem that you clearly are suffering from.
Homie Iâm not the one coming to the rescue of a dude that sexually assaulted his sister.
Youâre also wrongly assuming I wouldnât want him to be fired for sexual assaulting his sister. I do want that, but at the current time, there is nothing other than speculation that would imply that is why he was fired, so Iâve downvoted you for spreading misinformation and doubling down on your misinformation.
No, and no.
This is why youâre being downvoted, and then you decide to double-down by insulting people. I would say that reflects an ideological perspective.
âEveeyone that disagrees with me definitely lives the taste of bootâ
Ok retard
AnimoscityThere is none. There are some rumors and past allegations but no evidence or confirmation on why he was removed. Not sure why so many people go around spouting random things as facts.
Take Samâs dick out of your mouth and maybe you can find the source
Bro thatâs multiple comments woth you obsessed over this dudes cock. Just admit you love his cock and stfu
I don't think he wants to fight you for it.
Not sure why so many people go around spouting random things as facts.
People love that endorphin rush that comes from being part of a Two Minutes Hate on a "deserving" subject.
There is a post on lesswrong which compiles the accusations made by the sister. Having worked with many incest victims, family scapegoats and Cinderellas Iâll say the story is familiar to what Iâve heard before and therefore credible.
Please link that.
Is it usual that all the family and even therapists side against alleged victim? I think it's not impossible if the person is so traumatized and troubled to the point that the family rejects her but I struggle to believe that is the usual case.
Is it usual that all the family and even therapists side against alleged victim?
You might want to watch the âBritney vs Spearsâ documentary (though thatâs a bit different and doesnât have to do with rape, Britney was the rich person and her family conspired against her to take over her wealth, had a psychiatrist fabricate a report against her that subsequently just disappeared from the court files and even picked a lawyer for her that would side with them).
Going back to this story, the âshht, letâs not ruin the future of our child prodigy, so even if he did something bad to you you will keep your mouth shutâ is not that rare among families. Conspiracies by families to cover up rape done by one of their members do happen:
I think you clearly can show that it's possble but that doesn't mean it's likely the articles suggest it but they don't have any statistics to back it up. there is no equivalence between being poor and conspiring to get someone's money and cutting out someone from their inheritance.
I completely disgree with your view that if you have money you have to help family even if they are radioactive to you. in some cases it's best to take distance. especially if the other person is so troubled that whenever you help it just backfires because they can't stop the drama.
I don't doubt that most sex workers have trauma issues or even childhood issues, the part I'm not finding easy to accept is that it's likely that the family would usually side with the accuser.
GhostalmediaYouâve been downvoted, but the posts from his sister definitely donât look great, and I wouldnât be surprised if that was why the board kicked him out.
Iâm getting downvoted by embrassed billionaires đ
You're getting downvoted for slinging homophobic slurs and insults at people who are questioning your unproven allegations.
Youâre being downvoted for being manic, atually.
Itâs hilarious that people think this had anything to do with ethics. Money. Itâs always about money.
Gary marcus is the last person I would consider for a statement on the topic.
No offense intended, but Gary marcus is a hack and a joke. He is a very small step above the yud, and neither will contribute to the safety or development of this technology in any way.
downpunxxnot being as plugged in as need be, i'm unsure of the term "yud", and knowing that marcus is jewish, and that the term "yid" is one of degradation and antisemitism, regardless of how well the term "yud" may or may not apply here, i ask you to refrain from using it when commenting on or about someone who's jewish. there's enough jew hate going around these day.
Heresy_generatorHe just means Eliezer Yudkowsky, to quote David Gerard, "a man whose sole achievements in life are charity fundraising â getting Peter Thiel to fund his Machine Intelligence Research Institute (MIRI), a research institute that does almost no research â and finishing a popular Harry Potter fanfiction novel. Yudkowsky has literally no other qualifications or experience."
OtterDonât know him, what did he do?
marcus is a well known figure for being heavily critical of AI while also being comedically uninformed. much like the yud
i would like to have greater consideration for their opinions, but i find it difficult due to the often unfounded nature of their speculation. for marcus personally, iâve seen him make arguments woefully out of touch with current information. this is why i describe him as being comedically uninformed.
wish the best for the guy, although i disagree with them both to the degree i find their reasoning childish and dangerous. the yud moreso.
and to the person assuming âyudâ being racist for no reason, please get some help. he is an individual. iâm sure his harry potter fanfics are quality, and i mean no ill to the gentleman other than disagreeing strongly with his opinions on AI.
what in particular shows that Gary Marcus is uniformed? I dislike him because heâs dogmatic and petty but I havenât seen a specific thing heâs been wrong about, but Iâd love examples.
hard to remember which videos specifically, because it was a comparison to things that were known when the video released. heâs been around a good while. listening to marcus often leaves me confused and baffled.
not really in the mood to marathon marcus videos for examples, so feel free to disregard my opinions. but iâm definitely not alone in finding humour in the fact
CBMM10 Panel: Research on Intelligence in the Age of AI
I remember Yudowski being a thing like a decade ago, and people were making fun of his "AI" research even then. It's scary to realize that not only did some people take him seriously, but those people are at the helm of AI companies and making decisions affecting tens of billions of investment capital. I think there was a quote by Kurt Vonnegut that "true horror is waking up one morning and realizing your high school class is running the country".
For the other poster lower down, I'd almost successfully forgotten about his Harry Potter fanfiction, people kept praising it so I actually read through a bit of it, it's painful reading. He also wrote a Superman fanfiction and that's even worse. I think they both say a lot about his internal mental state and his perception of other people though.
sigmaklimgrindsetThe allegations from his sister aside (not discrediting them, Iâm just not well informed on that atm), itâs been really strange seeing so many comments cheering for Sam Altman and dunking on the openAI board (handpicked by Altman himself btw) for this whole farce. We have no info on whatâs happening inside, just 3rd party hearsay and speculation.
Not only that, the guy who allegedly led Altmanâs ousting, Ilya Sutskever, signed the employee resignation letter asking to reinstate Altman as CEO.
OpenAI chief scientist Ilya Sutskever, who reportedly led the push to remove Altman, noted on X (formerly Twitter) that he had some regrets about the weekend of chaos inside OpenAI. âI deeply regret my participation in the boardâs actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI,â said Sutskever. âI love everything weâve built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company.â
And somehow Microsoft ends up the biggest winner out of this entire situation. I donât consider myself conspiracy mindedâŠbut what the hell is going on here?
itâs been really strange seeing so many comments cheering for Sam Altman
Itâs the same with Elonâs cult. People probably really believe that Sam is a genius and the one who made ChatGPT.
Who though? Any examples?
You can check many of the Sam dick riding contests in the comments in any Sam Altman related thread and how everyone is advancing the classic âsheâs just a gold digger who suddenly remembers he raped her when he got richâ thesis while trying to bury the rape story with massive downvotes.
I have yet to see any of those in any thread in the last few days. Virtually all have been either negative or neutral to Altman.
HeartyBeastI was certainly a fan of early Elon. A serious push to address one of the causes of climate change, opening up some patents to allow other companies build charging networks, a disruptive can-do attitude that spurred Old Automobile to actually start innovating in response.
There were doubts, but I think the turning point for me was when he attacked the divers working to get the Thai kids out of the cave, just because they thought his submarine ideas sucked.
Heâd been doubling down on being an arsehole increasingly since then. I absolutely would have considered buying a Tesla in the old days, now? Absolutely not.
They innovated first. GM and BMW and so on put out electric cars in the 90âs they just didnât market them well and the battery tech wasnât as good then meaning range was limited. Not to mention the lack of infrastructure for charging which I will admit that Tesla (not Elon) did push for and develop.
The Roadster was an ice breaker vehicle and I will fully admit that. Musk was involved but he wasnât the one who made those fears of battery engineering possible. He really does take credit for a lot of stuff just because he happened to be in the vicinity. I can understand being a Tesla fan. I canât really understand being an Elon Musk fan.
Agreed. I do not know Sam, but I do know smart people who push the boundary of tech and they are all heads down deep into whatever and have little time for talk. Talk is cheap.
I doubt over 2/3 (around 600) of the employees under Musk would sign a letter demanding that the board resign over their firing of Musk, though. Seems most of the employees actually liked Altman.
Meh, itâs kind of a perverse dream that all engineers have to go toe to toe with the suits and win. Like an ex admitting that youâve been right the whole time and begging you to come back but you are already fucking three of her smoking hot physicist friends.
Mark my words, this was a hostile poaching operation by Microsoft. Like 65% convinced this was the case. We wonât know until 10 years have passed and some dumb emails end up in discovery on some unrelated lawsuit.
But then why wouldnât the board say exactly why Altman was removed?
âLeast said, soonest mended,â as the saying goes: if you want the cleanest break possible, say as little as possible. Itâs probably also why the board fired him via a virtual meeting after close of business on a Friday.
By stark contrast, both Altman and Brockman were on Twitter almost immediately thereafter, joined shortly by armies of supporters, making absolutely sure that everything happening over the weekend was as public as possible, almost play by play, and was also openly joined in the constant public commentary by the CEO of Microsoft, who became Altmanâs employer less than 48 hours later.
Note that Iâm not saying itâs wrong. But in regard to point #3 made above by @[email protected] it all seems almost planned, especially when you throw in this tidbit from The Guardian:
Sam Altman âwas working on new ventureâ before sacking from OpenAI
Sam Altman, the recently sacked boss of OpenAI, the company behind the ChatGPT bot, was telling investors he planned to launch a new company before his shock departure, it was claimed.
No other info, but IF itâs true AND Altman was openly talking about planning a competitive service, then it does lend credence to the thought that Altman wanted to go, and to leave in such a way that he got to take whoever he wanted with him, because that is the kind of shit that gets you fired from your own board.