HLMenckenFanElon Musk May Have Just Signed X’s Death Warrant
helenslunch“It goes way beyond money.”
LOL no it doesn’t.
RickRussell_CAThey’re referring to the “halo effect” of Apple accepting the claim of antisemitism.
Truthful or not, Apple is sort of an “influencer” when it comes to ethics, with one of the few openly gay CEOs in big tech and a history of doing, or at least claiming to do, the right thing when any negative labor practices are revealed.
I think there is a sense that if Apple is willing to walk away, it’s a signal to other companies that the problem is real.
LilB0kChoyI think there is a sense that if Apple is willing to walk away, it’s a signal to other companies that the problem is real.
I agree that Apple may be the canary in the coal mine but I propose a motive beyond ethics.
It may be that Apple has seen a reduction in traffic from ads on Twitter recently and this latest move by Musk, coupled with everything else, gave them leverage to get out of any contracted ad buys. They pull ineffective ads, help their brand and ethics image, and save money doing it.
The cynic in me says whatever the motivation the largest driver is financial.
My reading of the “it’s not just about money” statement was, “it’s not just about losing Apple’s advertising spend”.
I agree, and I may have muddled that in my response. I was more proposing an alternative to Apple’s “influencer” in ethics status being a driver for their departure, or for other companies.
Positing that ethics may be a factor but ultimately that Apple’s motivation is financial and other businesses understand that. They’ll see it as the tide turning to where Twitter advertising is going to start hurting brands this the halo effect.
FuglyDuckThe cynic in me says whatever the motivation the largest driver is financial.
Always is. “Ethics” is just a guide to survival as a society- corporate ethics is really just a guide to survival, too. Which is why so many corporations seem unethical to people… their guide to survival is “lie cheat and steal”… where people see that as problematic.
vagrantprodigyIt’s sad that anyone would associate Apple with ethics. They clearly haven’t looked into their China factories.
Snot FlickermanJust 8 years ago Apple and Google settled a lawsuit where they kept pay for engineers down by having an illegal non-poaching agreement where they agreed to not recruit each others talent.
They are all bastards.
I agree. But that seems to be the perception. I mean, it’s easy to imagine Apple taking a stand against antisemitism, but a little more difficult to imagine Samsung or Motorola taking such a stand.
But as to whether their actual on-the-ground ethical standards are any better than the competition, I rather doubt it.
I didn’t know Tim Cook was gay today I learned
Ya, I’m gladdened to see that it’s not part of his story at every turn. I feel like that’s a positive thing. Acceptance is good.
It was a huge part of his story when Apple was dodging taxes, mostly because they used PR to kind of hide behind him just coming out as a cudgel to say any criticism or questions about Apple tax dodging were driven by homophobia.
It’s sickening when rich people use minority status to hand wave away legitimate criticism that has nothing to do with their minority status.
Guy was running the richest company in the US and had a large team of private security at his behest but he was “brave” for coming out as gay. There was so much PR pushing that the time it was gross.
Nah the kid growing up in a tiny town in the South who risks having the living shit kicked out of him daily for being gay is the kind of person who is brave for coming out. Not a top paid corporate board member who is basically untouchable.
Default_DefectHes probably gay more than just today too.
s_sYou are talking like Apple isn’t still pumping elons garbage through their devices for a 30% cut.
They’d pull the app if they really cared.
Why would they pull an app that millions of their customers enjoy and may well have purchased their devices for, just because the owner said something they don’t like?
You are talking like Apple isn’t still pumping elons garbage through their devices for a 30% cut.
While Apple takes a 30% cut of app sales, as far as I know, they don’t make money from people using the free app. I don’t know that Twitter offers any in-app purchases that would be processed through Apple’s payment system.
What is IBM advertising there?
GhostalmediaInternational BMs
The worst of manners from all across the world.
NOT_RICKBowel movements or business machines?
Wodge
jeffwAny one of the large brands they own, I assume: en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio…
BarrierWithAshesProbably thinkpads or some enterprise stuff.
Thinkpads were sold off to Lenovo 18 years ago.
Huh. Thought IBM owned Lenovo.
Not at all. Always been a Chinese company. And I'm just now learning that IBM sold them their server business in 2014, and they also bought Motorola in the same year.
Which raises the question: What does IBM even do anymore?
Consulting. So much consulting.
Canada hired them to make a payment system for federal employees. Supposed to amalgamate all the systems, save money, blah blah blah. They royally fucked it up
TimLovesTechMake people made about Red hat. 😩
Speaking as a guy who grew up on Redhat…. Fuck RHEL
LungI think it’s basically high end military r&d and extensions of it into corporate services
dezmdThey own Redhat.
/throws up
Well based on an above comment and the linked wikipedia page acquiring small tech companies I guess
FilthyHandsCensus machines.
I’m betting no,
ArugulaZYeah yeah, promises, promises.
originaluciferare the last horses just finishing the realization race? this was always his endgame
AlwaysNowNeverNotMeOops I destroyed the nerve center of American journalism, totally just an accident I swear bro.
plausible is the only kinda of legal deniability he needs
youstolemynameElon needs those horses to bribe his sexual assault victims
We can only hope. 👍
On Wednesday, Musk appeared to endorse an antisemitic post by user @breakingbaht alleging that “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” In response, Musk posted, “You have spoken the actual truth.”
The original post seemed to echo the beliefs of the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, which is popular among white supremacists and right-wing extremists.
GraniteAnd yet, all my Jewish friends are white.
Schrodinger’s whiteness…
Schrodinger’s whiteness…
It always is.
Jewish people tend to not be considered white even though they are oftentimes fair skinned, blue eyes, etc.
In the US, Italian and Irish immigrants also used to not be considered white either. It’s a label applied to groups when it’s most convenient. Doesn’t necessarily have a lot of logic behind it beyond racism.
The only people who consider white-passing Jewish people as non-white are actual white supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
kamenokoAnyone who wasn’t an Anglo Saxon Protestant was a second class citizen in America for a loooooooooong time.
ArtieShawThis is the answer. Being "white" in the US didn't have much to do with your skin tone. It was more closely linked to ancestry, religion, and class.
The Irish or Polish weren't "white" but that didn't mean that anyone thought they were Black. My understanding of the Indian caste system is incomplete, but it seems like a closer model to the racist hierarchy in the US than anything else I've seen.
donutsSo they always say... and then keep reading and posting tweets all day every day.
Is that beard to make him look younger? Because it looks like that beard you sometimes see on young guys figuring out that they can’t really grow a decent beard…
He tries to copy the look of the Chad meme, as many other right wing extremists do.
Very low T
So t?
No, ~T~
Again?
theodewerewhy did it take IBM and Apple so long to figure out which song was playing on the juke box here
They’ve known all along they just didn’t care until it threatened their own reputations. Musk really shit the bed this time.
“Our AI date science projections state we won’t lose money until musk really gets into white supremacy, so let’s keep those ads pumping until that happens.”