L4sBotNov 15, 2023

TikTok says it’s not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine — The company denied allegations that it has been promoting pro-Palestine content in an effort to sway American opinion

https://lemmy.world/post/8280905

TikTok says it’s not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine — The company denied allegations that it has been promoting pro-Palestine content in an effort to sway American opinion - Lemmy.World

TikTok says it’s not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine — The company denied allegations that it has been promoting pro-Palestine content in an effort to sway American opinion::In a blog post, the company denied allegations that it has been promoting pro-Palestine content in an effort to sway American opinion.

Show thread/home/jeze3dNov 16, 2023
This is the topic dividing progressives that’s going to hand Trump the presidency.
Show threadspiderplantNov 16, 2023
If you aren’t anti-oppression or anti-apartheid you aren’t progressive
Show threadEnkrodNov 16, 2023

Yeah well, one can be anti-oppression and anti-apartheid as well as anti-terror, anti-killing-civilians, anti-bombing-hospitals, anti-using-civilians-as-shields, anti-hostage-taking and anti-warcrimes.

The israeli Government is not the only one with blood on their hands and while nothing can excuse what the IDF is doing, nothing can excuse what HAMAS is doing too.

Both sides fucking suck, the only difference I can see is that HAMAS is bad for Israelis and Palestinians moreso than the Israeli Government is for Israelis.

Show threadpiexilNov 16, 2023

You literally listed off everything Israel is doing. Good job.

Israel’s killed over 11k civilians since Oct 7th.

Israel’s bombed over 20 hospitals.

Israel refused to take their hostages back even when Hamas offered them in exchange for the Palestinians hostages Israel has. Then bombed the locations they know hostages were at.

Show threadfosforus

Israel’s killed over 11k civilians since Oct 7th.

Bullshit statistic until it is verified by independent sources. Currently, the only source for that number is Hamas.

Nov 16, 2023 at 6:41pmWeb
Show threadKaryoplasmaNov 16, 2023

In past conflicts, the death toll provided by Hamas (if you call the Ministry of Health in Gaza that) were largely accurate and didn’t differ much from independent counts conducted by the UN.

This article has an example on how it was in a conflict in 2014. There is another article that had more examples, but I cannot find it. It was from the Guardian I believe.

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201

How the dead are counted in Gaza

The BBC has been looking in detail at how the casualty figures are totalled.

Show threadEximiusNov 16, 2023
I feel hospitals (warcrime) were visible from satellites and independent sources covered it.
Show threadfosforusNov 16, 2023
Attacking a hospital is not a warcrime if the hospital is used for military operations.
Show threadRichCaffeineFlavorNov 16, 2023
“I smelled weed”
Show threadpiexilNov 16, 2023

The only sources that the hospital was being used for military operations was the IDF who is known for lying. They even showed pictures of metal objects in the same room as an MRI. Literally something you would never do because an MRI will destroy anything metal.

independent.co.uk/…/israel-gaza-al-shifa-hospital…

x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1724782542304559215?…

…mako.co.il/…/Article-b124ea2e7bfcb81027.htm

All they do is lie

www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/…/index.html

They said a calendar was a “terrorist list”. A literal calendar.

electronicintifada.net/…/need-comic-relief-watch-…

They even higher actors

dohanews.co/disinformation-experts-call-out-israe…

IDF yet to prove Hamas’ headquarters lie in tunnels beneath Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza

Israel faces pressure to prove claims after the hospital was targeted by IDF soldiers

The Independent
Show threadbalpNov 16, 2023

Attacking a hospital is not a warcrime if the hospital is used for military operations.

It is, you have the right to defend yourself if the opponent is attacking from inside. But no even if the enemy is doing a war crime by using non-combatants as protection you are not allowed to engage them in that situation. You are allowed to inspect a hospital or ambulance to make sure the enemy isn’t using it to transport or hide munitions. You are not allowed to attack anything marked with protected signs, such as the Red Cross, red crescent, or red diamond. If you as a solder break these rules, even on a direct order you are still personally responsible and might be judged in national or international courts. In practice, it might be hard to get soldiers to stand trial for these crimes. But it has happened. All my education in this has been in Swedish from the Swedish armed forces so some translations might be wrong.

Show threadpiexilNov 16, 2023

Israel is not allowing anyone to to conduct outside verification, and hasn’t for literal years. They deny UN workers visas, disallow any humanitarian worker from entering or leaving Gaza ( hrw.org/…/israeli-restrictions-access-and-gaza-hu…)

but Hamas is not fighting outside verification. The UN has also repeatedly verified hamas’ death counts in previous instances.

That alone should tell you whose statistic you should be more trusting of, and it’s not israels.

Unwilling or Unable

This report documents how Israel systematically bars human rights workers from traveling into and out of Gaza, even where the Israeli security services make no security claims against them as individuals. Egypt is also imposing severe travel restrictions on its border with Gaza. The International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor’s office should take note of the restrictions in the context of its ongoing preliminary examination of the Palestine situation.

Human Rights Watch
Show threadKleinbonumNov 17, 2023

Except that in this case, the UN is explicitly saying that the numbers they’re quoting cannot be verified and they’re merely cutting the numbers Hamas is giving them.

So the question is: if the IDF cannot be trusted, why should we trust the terrorists?