JohnWIt takes 19,000 miles of driving for an EV to offset the pollutants caused by the manufacturing...
...of its battery.
Source from Green Car Reports:
"EVs generally have higher emissions from materials sourcing and manufacturing than gasoline cars. The average electric car accounts for 8.1 million grams of carbon emissions before it reaches the first customer, compared to 5.5 million grams for the average gasoline car."
"But once on the road, even when charged exclusively from a coal-fired grid, EVs contribute to 4.1 million grams per year, compared to 4.6 million grams for gasoline cars, according to the analysis."
EV's, to totally offset the pollutants caused by its manufacturing process can take up to 5 or 6 years of use, or over 115,000 miles of driving.
The world did everything in reverse, just focusing on the finished product and not considering the cost and materials involved in its manufacture.
Had it been done right, we would have been in a great position to combat environmental change.
If the process of manufacture had been restructured to use more renewable energy from the start, not only would EV's have been built with lower emissions, but other materials as well.
If the plant itself put out lower emissions, that would have removed the largest source of emission for the entire process.
But alas, capitalism created the trend and we ate it up. Build it first, suffer the consequences later.
(Note: I'm not against EV's. Since they're here we should make the best use of them we can. I'm pointing out the huge error in the way the whole thing was approached).
When we talk about "the thing", that "thing" encompasses everyone's focus. How that thing came to be should be considered as much as the end result.
Brian DearI would not trust the veracity or accuracy of anything published by the content mill Internet Brands’ Green Car Reports.
If you want more accurate, nuanced information, it’s out there. I’m sure it’s cited somewhere within the transcripts and episode notes of the excellent and deeply authoritative @TransitionShow podcasts.
Theriac@the_Effekt
If you ignore the psycopaths that have been looking out for their own interest for around a century, then yes.
If you include them then the world didn't get it wrong, it was actively gaslit.
If you ignore the psycopaths that have been looking out for their own interest for around a century, then yes.
If you include them then the world didn't get it wrong, it was actively gaslit.
It appears to me to be a little (or a lot) of both.
@the_Effekt
Lets take the web.
I don't think it's fair to say Arpanet should have had the fore sight to be set up so as to work exactly like the internet does now, but with limitless bandwith and ip addresses as it would have saved us from having to deal with these issues now. It started with a different premise and original purpose.
We can say however, had the associated industries of the telegram industry conspired to block the research and advancement of telephony to the point we are still relying on telegrams as the main way to communicate while having deforested the entire planet to ensure we have enough paper - that those industries created a climate catastrophe simply because they made a living out of that technology.
The Petro Carbon industry has been running interference for decades putting itself in the onourous company of the Tobacco industry in terms of ignoring the effects it has been aware of for at least half its existence on humans but on a vaster scale.
Lets take the web.
I don't think it's fair to say Arpanet should have had the fore sight to be set up so as to work exactly like the internet does now, but with limitless bandwith and ip addresses as it would have saved us from having to deal with these issues now. It started with a different premise and original purpose.
We can say however, had the associated industries of the telegram industry conspired to block the research and advancement of telephony to the point we are still relying on telegrams as the main way to communicate while having deforested the entire planet to ensure we have enough paper - that those industries created a climate catastrophe simply because they made a living out of that technology.
The Petro Carbon industry has been running interference for decades putting itself in the onourous company of the Tobacco industry in terms of ignoring the effects it has been aware of for at least half its existence on humans but on a vaster scale.
Cool, so, so far, I’ve already totally offset the pollutants of two manufactured EVs. Onwards to number three!
@brianstorms I just finished up with a note that I'm not against EV's.
@the_Effekt I just finished up replying to that too 🙂
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🇵🇸@the_Effekt so by that calculation it takes about 5 years in the worst possible constellation for an electric car to surpass a gasoline car, correct?
What amplifies this effect is that gasoline cars ruin the local air in comparison to coal plants which are at centralized locations.
One thing thats still gonna be a problem I believe is tire and break dust. Those are pretty bad in both afaik.
That's a great catch! Tire and brake dust will also only get worse during the coming extended drought conditions.
ohhaifern@the_Effekt Damn it’s a real shame cars aren’t being used for more than 20,000 miles then.
Yeah isn't that a cheap trick! Rent a fancy car on a lease and show it off until you have to give it back.