knapjack
My honk host is currently an old Moto G4 running Termux, which was extremely stable for months but lately implodes about every five or six days. Upcoming landing pad:
OS: Void Linux armv7l Host: Raspberry Pi 2 Model B Rev 1.1 Kernel: 5.15.72_1 Uptime: 22 mins Packages: 131 (xbps-query) Shell: sh Terminal: /dev/pts/0 CPU: BCM2835 (4) @ 900MHz Memory: 37MiB / 923MiB
#TeamTinyHonkers
Nov 13, 2023 at 2:14amWeb
Show threadknapjackNov 13, 2023
Migration complete! Let's see how long this little honker runs.
Show threaddirkNov 13, 2023
@knapjack Cool! You deserve the crown for tiniest honker! I feel huge, with my 3b 🙃
Show threadknapjackNov 13, 2023

@dirk I think I can go smaller. I need to order a Zero W.

I keep thinking if I wait long enough I'll get one in the bottom of my cereal box. 😁

Show threaddirkNov 14, 2023
@knapjack makes me think: would honk run on an esp32 with a microsd module? Compile with tinygo, flash into ESP32 ROM, ..., profit? (maybe one should flash some sort of bootloader into the ESP32 ROM and load the go binary from there...)
Show threadknapjackNov 14, 2023

@dirk It's interesting to think about just how small you can go.

I haven't compared it with snac, but thinking something C-based might squeeze into ESP32 better.

@grunfink, what's the smallest snac host you can imagine being successful?

Show threadThe Real GrunfinkNov 15, 2023
I have here under my desk a Raspberry Pi model B running #snac and it works, not very fast to be honest, but here there is.

I can give you more details on the precise configuration, if you're interested. But real smol computing to be sure.

CC: @[email protected]
Show threadThe Real GrunfinkNov 15, 2023
This is what cat /proc/cpuninfo says about this little beast:

processor : 0
model name : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
BogoMIPS : 797.66
Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xb76
CPU revision : 7

Hardware : BCM2835
Revision : 0010
Serial : 00000000fb3ba2c8
Model : Raspberry Pi Model B Plus Rev 1.2
CC: @[email protected]
Show threadknapjackNov 15, 2023

@grunfink @dirk 😮🎉

#TeamTinySnacers!

Show threadknapjackNov 14, 2023

@dirk Not small in size, but small in capability, I have an old Sun IPX in the garage. I think I upgraded it to 64 MB of RAM, the disk is probably 1 GB but could be swapped out with one of those SCSI-to-SD adapters. I even have a 10Base-T adapter for it. I think the disk still has NetBSD installed.

Hard part, last time I used it I had a dumb terminal hooked up to it. I don't think I even have the cables for that anymore. I'd need something like ADB-to-USB to see the serial console.

http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipx/

Show threadPeter SanchezNov 13, 2023
@knapjack The Pi should be pretty stable. Honk on!
Show threadknapjackNov 13, 2023
@petersanchez 🪿📯🤘
Show threadknapjackNov 16, 2023

@petersanchez @dirk Ran into an interesting issue with the Pi. The backend is failing about once a day. Exactly once a day, I asked myself? Yes, it appears so.

When I migrated over, I thought what the heck, let's log to syslog. I installed socklog, left the defaults, voila.

It looks like when the daily log rotation kicks in, the backend crashes. If I try a simple restart of honk the backend doesn't like the socket. A full reboot does the trick.

So, in experimentation mode, now logging to file again. Start the clock.

Show threadPeter SanchezNov 16, 2023
@knapjack @dirk Interesting. I think @tedu should know about this bug.
Show threadknapjackNov 17, 2023
@petersanchez @dirk @tedu I would not bet my paycheck that it's a honk bug, but if it is at least it's replicable.
Show threadteduNov 17, 2023
@knapjack the backend may have been killed to memory pressure. but it's weird it wouldn't reconnect. the restarted process should clean up the old socket.
Show threadknapjackNov 18, 2023
@tedu @petersanchez @dirk Well, even not logged to syslog, seems to be related:
2023/11/18 02:58:49 lost the backend: %!s(<nil>)
and:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root socklog 44717 Nov 18 02:58 current
Going to try disabling socklog and see what happens.
Show threadteduNov 18, 2023
@knapjack I keep forgetting to add the err to that log.
Show threadknapjackNov 18, 2023
@tedu @petersanchez @dirk So far, stopping socklog seems to have done the trick. Going to give it 24 hours, but joined the mailing list already. Should be interesting to troubleshoot.
Show threadknapjackNov 19, 2023

@petersanchez @dirk @tedu Oooh, the plot thickens. Backend crashed anyway, but no problems restarting it, no reboot necessary.

Now I'm wondering if it's a musl issue, or if someone I follow is just posting something crazy daily. 😂

Show threadPeter SanchezNov 20, 2023
@knapjack @dirk @tedu Is this running on Alpine?
Show threadknapjackNov 21, 2023
@petersanchez @dirk @tedu Void, so close.
Show threadknapjackNov 21, 2023
@petersanchez @dirk @tedu Alright, winds gusting to 70 miles per hour, plenty of power outages, so I took it as an omen to learn the Way of Void this evening and created runit scripts for honk so now it autostarts after reboot, and auto-restarts if the backend dies. Not perfect, but I'm well-versed in the way of duct tape.
Show threadPeter SanchezNov 21, 2023
@knapjack @dirk @tedu good enough I suppose lol.
Show threadknapjackNov 23, 2023
@petersanchez @dirk @tedu This was a cool trick. I'm a new fan. http://smarden.org/runit/faq.html#userservices