NobodyNov 12, 2023

Hospitals have special protection under the rules of war. Why are they in the crosshairs in Gaza?

https://lemmy.world/post/8141382

Hospitals have special protection under the rules of war. Why are they in the crosshairs in Gaza? - Lemmy.World

JERUSALEM (AP) — The head of surgery at Gaza’s largest and most advanced hospital held up his phone Saturday to the hammering of gunfire and artillery shelling. “Listen,” said Dr. Marwan Abu Sada as fighting raged around Shifa Hospital.

Show threadnautilusNov 12, 2023

Why are hospitals in Gaza under Israel’s crosshairs? Why? Is it truly that difficult to step back and think for a moment about why Israel would want to erase the current populace entirely?

Amazing, what a mystery

Show threadArbitraryValueNov 12, 2023

erase the current populace entirely

Do you realize that the population of Gaza increases by over 50,000 every year? Even if we accept the casualty figures provided by Hamas (and I don’t - my bet is that they’re wildly exaggerated) then unless this war goes on at its current intensity for another four months (which it won’t), the population of Gaza will actually increase rather than decrease in the one-year period that includes the war.

The idea that the war in Gaza is “[erasing] the current populace entirely” is disconnected from reality.

Show threadnammiNov 12, 2023

Wow.

Are you literally saying it’s not a genocide because the population is growing faster than the IDF is killing?

I don’t know what happened to your brain, nor your heart, but I am sad whatever happened to you, happened.

Show threadthatsageNov 12, 2023
Do you believe the IDF is incompetent at doing a genocide then?
Show threadbe_excellent_to_each_otherNov 12, 2023
That's a false dichotomy. They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won't kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the "everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it's right" zone, which is where they sit currently.
Show threadthatsageNov 12, 2023
And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal? The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?
Show threadbe_excellent_to_each_other

The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

How could they? Reiterating my prior point:

They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won't kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the "everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it's right" zone, which is where they sit currently.

So the fact that this leaves open the possibility that some people get to flee their homes in terror, knowing that their friends and loved ones who refuse to be chased out of their homes by Israel are likely to be killed by the IDF, is one of the things that you feel might convince me that Israel doesn't have genocidal intent?

And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal?

Clearly nothing that you're going to accept.

Nov 12, 2023 at 8:02pmWeb
Show threadthatsageNov 12, 2023
But that’s impossible to argue. You can claim for any ratio that it’s a silent genocide as long as even a single citizen is killed. And we know a war without civilian casualties - even forgetting the situation of Hamas putting civilians forward as shields and even killing some themselves. Where do you draw the line?
Show threadbe_excellent_to_each_otherNov 12, 2023
I didn't say no conditions anyone would accept, I said no conditions you are going to accept. You wouldn't be carrying water to this level if you would.
Show threadthatsageNov 13, 2023
But let’s hear them, what are you waiting for?
Show threadbe_excellent_to_each_otherNov 13, 2023

But let’s hear them, why “hide” it?

LOL ok. Here's your chance to prove me wrong.

Stop now. Say "hey, we got our pound of flesh (and about 2000 more pounds too), let's stop and figure out a path forward."