Everytime I read an article like this, my immediate reaction is posting a comment expressing my disgust with the Israeli State’s actions and everytime I hesitate because I don’t want to suffer the inevitable wave of people defending the Israeli State’s actions as somehow justifiable because Hamas did something vile first.

It’s a continuing cycle of violence and the Israeli State holds a humongous power advantage. They don’t use that power disparity to deescalate and integrate the Palestinian people to prevent Hamas from having support. Instead they do shit like this where they drive Palestinians straight into Hamas’ hands, because the Palestinian people are given no other option to turn to.

I feel the same way here (Lemmy) because I support Israel. Funny, how being a minority works.

If you feel the need to express your unswerving support for the actions of the Israeli state under this news article, please tell us, how you see the mass destruction of civilian homes justified and necessary.

Usual disclaimer: I support neither side here. Both use horrible methods to achieve their goals and I hope for a ceasefire and improvement of both governments. From my limited information a revolution will likely be needed in case of Palestine, in Israel elections may suffice.

Never said it was unswerving, but I am hated for my opinion here. It is expected. How dare I justify murder, right?

Hamas is a terror organization. Hamas confirmed it will repeat it’s actions over and over until every jew is dead or driven from Israel. Hamas is still firing rockets at Israel and fighting the IDF. Hamas cynically uses the Geneva convention to shield itself as it commits war crimes.

It is true that the actions of the military kill innocents. I think it would’ve happened even without Hamas using them as human shields.

But should Israel simply stand idle as it’s citizens are slaughtered and kidnapped? If so, then why?

Yes Hamas is a terror organization, no, that does not allow you to behave like a terror organization when fighting them.

If you have read the article this is not about innocents which where at the wrong place a the wrong time. This article is about deliberate destruction of civilian buildings without giving any justification besides ‘There are some things that we see that you don’t see.’ in some cases evacuation was allowed, in some cases no time for evacuation was given. There is in my eyes no justification for this.

I never said that Israel should stand idle. So don’t push that opinion on me.

What could be done? Attack military targets only, give civilians time to evacuate. (Yes a civilian home becomes a military target if it is used as weapons stash/factory, but there was no indication at all in the cases listed in the article), support the more moderate Fatah in regaining control. Support new democratic elections. Provide help in forms primarily targeted at civilians: Food, water, education. Allow students from the Gaza Strip to study abroad. Part of that is already done, but hampered by the military actions.

Destroying peoples homes and basic utilities will only ensure that hate on Israel grows and support for Hamas remains steady.

Yes Hamas is a terror organization, no, that does not allow you to behave like a terror organization when fighting them.

I agree.

If you have read the article this is not about innocents which where at the wrong place a the wrong time. This article is about deliberate destruction of civilian buildings without giving any justification besides ‘There are some things that we see that you don’t see.’ in some cases evacuation was allowed, in some cases no time for evacuation was given. There is in my eyes no justification for this.

I respect your sentiment that you can’t justify killing innocents no matter the cause. I also respectfully disagree, and I accept “There are somethings that we see that you don’t” as tactical reasoning. I don’t do this with a happy heart, or a sense of conviction. It is a sad to thing to recognize.

You don’t let your enemy know how you know where to hit, because that would expose your intelligence - be it collaborators, equipment or units - to your enemy.

I do agree though, that it leaves you with doubt that the IDF isn’t just murdering people. However I don’t think they’d go to such trouble to sometimes notify and sometimes not. It doesn’t make sense.

Yesterday a group of refugees ran across the corridor from the north to the south holding white flags. The Palestinians here are suffering, and require humanitarian aid, but they were let through. They weren’t executed or attacked. Source is from the guardian, which is center-left in bias.

I never said that Israel should stand idle. So don’t push that opinion on me.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth or assuming your opinion for you. I was wrong here to a fault.

What could be done? Attack military targets only, give civilians time to evacuate. (Yes a civilian home becomes a military target if it is used as weapons stash/factory, but there was no indication at all in the cases listed in the article),

Hamas doesn’t follow the Geneva Convention. It’s fighters don’t dress as a military, they dress in civilian clothing. Maybe not as a rule, but there’s definitely footage that Hamas itself released with their fighters wearing Jeans and T Shirts.

Regarding allowing civilians to evacuate - This is again the issue of tactical reasoning from before.

support the more moderate Fatah in regaining control. Support new democratic elections.

I’ll add - remove the Likud and Netanyahu from power, add the Palestinians into the Abraham accords. All worthy things to do AFTER the war, and should be done. No doubt.

Destroying peoples homes and basic utilities will only ensure that hate on Israel grows and support for Hamas remains steady.

I whole-heatedly agree with you on this one. Both sides are losing right now. I think this war will mean that Fatah will disappear and the west bank will become Hamas too. And then the situation is twice as fucked.

Did israel bomb the southof Gaza after telling people to go south or not?