RFK Jr. pulls more votes from Trump than Biden in three-way race: poll
YoBuckStopsHereI think we will have a three way run for President between Biden ( D ), Haley ( R ), Trump ( I ) in November of 2024. Trump will be disqualified in most states preventing him from winning the Republican nomination. He will run independently splitting the right wing votes. Biden goes on to win 45 states.
queermunist she/herI don’t know why you think Trump being barred will stop him from being the nominee.
Here’s what I think: Trump can not appear on the ballot in many states and is also the nominee, and this basically collapses faith in the electoral system and turns the election into a joke.
2Xtreme21Would be awesome, but I don’t see it happening. This man has so much support still— especially in the high levels of state government— it’s disgusting. Republicans are still massively supportive of Trump and he’s nearly a shoe-in for the R nomination.
I think the reasoning above is based on the idea that he will be actually disqualified and not on the ballots as a convicted felon (at least I assume that’s the “he’s disqualified” angle here).
Although, sadly I think it’s unlikely to happen before the election, and even if it did I wouldn’t be in the slightest surprised for Republican states to just outright change whatever laws they need to (or just ignore the law) to put him on the state ballots.
uphillbothwaysStop spreading misinformation. Being a convicted felon does not prevent someone from running for or being elected president. It's specifically being involved with an insurrection, whether convicted or not, that disqualifies him from the office.
From the US Constitution:
Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
I just realized even if he is disqualified, a shitload of people are going to write him in anyway and hand biden the win.
CharlesDarwinI sure hope that is the case. But given how corrupt our system is, who knows.
Nope there is no way this is going to happen. So Trump’s eligibility is going to hit the US Supreme Court. It is litigation on the Constitution itself with more or less zero case law around it. This is the kind of thing that every lawyer dreams of putting their name on. It will hit the US Supreme Court and they will take it. So he will be either eligible or ineligible in all 50 states it will not be peace meal.
Now that doesn’t mean that there won’t be a major independent candidate for some other reasons, but for this reason.
It will go to the Supreme Court and they’ll rubber stamp so he can run.
Just because they’re right-wing does not make them beholden to Trump. They’ve made some solid decisions lately.
ivanafterallNot being sarcastic, but also don't follow every Supreme Court case: what do you view as the encouragingly solid decisions? I did see one civil rights-related case that seemed to go positively a few weeks back.
It absolutely does mean that now.
And they will say that regardless of the Civil War precedents say, a court needs to determine whether he participated in the insurrection via a conviction.
The Supreme Court cannot issue a constitutional amendment, only the States or Congress can do that. It’s going to be extremely difficult to claim the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to Trump based on the language and the fact that Confederates were barred from office without being convicted. The Supreme Court would be in breach of power to ignore what the Consitution says.
Oh no, breach of power! Good thing we can sue them right? …right?
Yeah…I’ll see you in cour…wait a minute.
ShakeThatYamIt would be pretty hypocritical given that a third of SCOTUS believes in the independent state legislature theory which pretty much lets states legislatures do whatever they want with regards to federal elections. But, that’s probably not going to stop them siding with Trump.
The supreme court already rewrote the college loan law. I think they know they can’t be held accountable and have little respect for the laws or constution beyond those that align with their ideology
A law is different than a Consitutional Amendment. They can’t rewrite it and it’s obvious what the Amendment was put in place for.
It is litigation on the Constitution itself with more or less zero case law around it.
There’s a shit ton of precedent around the 14th.
On the third section? Almost all the case law I have seen is on the first section. Feel free to cite your cases.
It would be pretty hypocritical given that a third of SCOTUS believes in the independent state legislature theory which pretty much lets states legislatures do whatever they want with regards to federal elections. But, that’s probably not going to stop them siding with Trump.
Oh dear, I’m sure they are absolutely terrified of looking hypocritical
Piecemeal
Trump will be disqualified in most states preventing him from winning the Republican nomination.
I doubt this really happens. Trump may only be disqualified in a handful of states which he would have lost anyway, and even if that happens I wouldn’t put it past Republicans to ignore it and nominate him anyway.
They might even declare the whole thing unlawful interference on the part of the Biden administration, and send their own electors from those states again. Who’s gonna stop them? The Supreme Court?
If one state can disqualify him, he is disqualified in all states.
An interesting theory, we’ll see if it stands up to the scrutiny of the Supreme Court. We know how ethical and even-handed that group is in interpreting the law.
A hard-core blible thumping Trumper is speaker in congress, unfortunately for everyone's sanity, he's not going anywhere except hopefully into a max security prison.
Probably a hotel on house arrest.
I know that the end result after all of the appeals is probably a pittance fine and house arrest for a few months.
A guy can dream.
GhostalmediaRemoving Trump from the ballots will go to Trump’s Supreme Court. That won’t work.
Trump will be the republican nominee unless hell freezes over. That fucker will run from jail if he has to. Becoming president is his only way out of many of his DoJ cases.
The Supreme Court will have a hard time defending Trump in that case. The 14th Amendment Section 3 is solid and gives Congress the ability to allow him on the ballot with a 2/3 vote.
It’s not like this court hasn’t made crazy ass calls before.
Stop. I can only get so erect.