steventhedevHamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel
A senior member of Hamas has hailed the systematic slaughter of civilians in Israel
When asked whether this meant the complete annihilation of Israel, Hamas replied: “Yes, of course.”
who still thinks hamas are the good guys?
ExcrubulentWho still thinks any state is the good guys? Hamas and Israel are both enemies of the people.
MxM111There are levels of evil.
And? You’re allowed to say what you mean, you know.
Where do the civilians being bombed fall on your spectrum of evil? Do they somehow deserve it in your eyes?
Ok, I have to ask. How would you apply this to any other conflict. For example the Allies fighting against Germany. Where did the German civilians fall in the spectrum of evil. Was fighting Germany justified, knowing that German civilians might suffer? If so, how is this situation different?
Strategic bombing - ie, the indiscriminate bombing of populated areas - was ineffective and immoral, and people at the time condemned it as such, and they were right to do so. It was also wrong to use Japanese cities as testbeds for nuclear arms. There was no real strategic reason to do it.
So like… don’t do that? Maybe Israel shouldn’t do that, because fucking obviously?
Like yes, there were bad states on the allied side in WWII as well. You can see that in how they conducted themselves after the war was over, and at many points before that. In fact the policies of the Nazis were directly inspired by US genocides.
You’re not going to trip me up by bringing up the Nazis. I said states are the enemy of the people, and I meant it.
But you're still ok with using artillery against a city if the city has an army in it?
What? Why? Where did I say that? What the fuck are you talking about?
What? Why? Where did I say that? What the fuck are you talking about?
I asked how this conflict was different and you started talking about a completely different topic like stategic bombing. But Israel isn't using strategic bombing, they're using artillery and missiles. Just like how the allies did against Berlin and other German cities when fighting the Germans. So how is this different?
The difference is that Israel has been colonising the west bank for over 70 years. They are the aggressors. They are more analogous to the Nazis in WWII for that reason anyway.
And yes, just like there were bad actors on the allied side in WWII, Hamas is also a bad actor.
This isn’t… COMPLICATED.
Israel pulled out of Palestine in 2005 and Palestine elected their own government, at that point they're an independent nation.
Oh good, so IDF snipers shooting Palestinian children in 2019 couldn’t be happening: haaretz.com/…/0000017f-e3ff-d9aa-afff-fbffde89000…
I’m sure this was necessary to get to the extremely small Hamas bunker that was surgically implanted in his skull, because those bastards were using him as a human shield.
I read the BBC article on the recent shooting, you're right, it's tragic and wrong. Two gunmen shot up a restaurant and then started exchanging fire with an IDF unit and the child was shot in the crossfire. This is awful, but has nothing to do with Palestine being an independent nation since this happened in the west bank, not the Gaza strip, which as I understand it, are different.
Wow, incredible that the IDF just happens to accidentally shoot dozens of Palestinian children every year. Tragic. Surely there can be no assignment of blame here.
And I don’t bother explaining what’s wrong with Hamas because this thread isn’t full of Hamas apologists, it’s full of Israel apologists.