ciko22i3no extremism rule
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MartineskiDamn, I thought that was Austria’s flag. Since when does Poland use a red-white-red flag?
I wouldn’t call “austria’s flag with poland’s coat of arms” an “aesthetic choice” …
TotallynotJessicaI fucking hate tankies and ML cultists, but I’m always skeptical of anti-communist movements. The fear of communism can bring economically liberal people to your side, but the real threat isn’t extreme or radical ideas. It’s authoritarianism and tribal selfishness. That’s what made Nazis and Soviets so terrible. They centralized power, killed opposition, and valued certain people over others. They pursued the strategies of taking from others by force, often using genocide and imperialism.
Global capitalism and imperialism are terrible things that should be changed, but even saying that is an extreme position that most people in imperial countries would oppose. Most Russians support their terrible war. Most Americans supported Bush’s war on terror, mostly souring because it didn’t deliver. A majority of Israelis used to support imperialist actions against Palestine, only now turning on their terrible leadership. People support exploitation because they often don’t see or feel the consequences, and even when they do feel the consequences, many don’t connect them with the actual causes.
This sounds like something Jessica would say
Anticommunism is indistinguishable from pro-fascism. Source: Decades on the internet.
pimento64Anticommunism is indistinguishable from pro-fascism. Source: Decades on the internet.
“Source: it was revealed to me in a vision”
My favorite version of that is ‘it was revealed to be in a delusion.’ Always makes me crack up.
This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥It was unveiled to me in a collusion
Anticommunism is indistinguishable from pro-fascism
Entirely untrue. Source: look at any anarchist movement.
Blanket “anti communism” projects or organizations are immediately shady because it’s the easiest cover for “sniffing out contrary thinking.” It’s basically code used by people with power.
But being anti-communism while having a reason that goes on to actually stand up to reason while offering context and a loftier/more just solution is usually just cause anti-communism.
Also, look at who is talking. That also makes it clear. If it’s people with power or that have resources that suggest they’re connected to anyone with power (or have flimsy, “find out more by [asking someone else/check out our website/sign up for our newsletter/donate to politician/etc], it’s right wing cover for “give me power to root out any ne’er-do-wells, to make this land and future safe for white children” or whatever they say. If it’s someone that offers alternatives and critiques while rooting out the problems with communism itself, then you’re talking to someone who actually wants to redistribute power to people and sees the flaws inherent in communism and wants power-to-the-people movements to stop falling for them.
moosetwinI fucking hate tankies and ML cultists, but I’m always skeptical of anti-communist movements. The fear of communism can bring economically liberal people to your side, but the real threat isn’t extreme or radical ideas. It’s authoritarianism and tribal selfishness. That’s what made Nazis and Soviets so terrible. They centralized power, killed opposition, and valued certain people over others. They pursued the strategies of taking from others by force, often using genocide and imperialism.
I wrote a comment that didn’t really cover what I meant well, but this is a really good way to say it, thank you OP.
I find that anti-comunist sentiments in Poland, Ukraine, and some other formerly soviet countries usually refer to the soviet state, not communism as such. It is actually anti-soviet and anti-tankie.
Soviet occupation left very bitter memories, and poisoned any potential for communist progressivism in this part of the world.
This should be considered while criticising anti-communism.
Also, good to read a well-thought comment!
It is an interesting question when a radical position is justified.
Normally, I would radically appeal for nuanced and balanced discussion and progress within liberal institutions.
But sometimes this progress is slow or near impossible.
We still have a communist party in Portugal and that party is more than aged. And badly at that.
My country got rid of a fascist state due in large part to the communist party but the moment they felt a wiff of true, tangible, power it was a race to force the idiology down. Some of their “reforms” were so well thought out and planned, the outcome still exist today, only in a bad way.
Every single time they open their mouths, regardless who may be speaking, the speach is always around the same topics, by similar words. A particular down point I can recall is watching a very young candidate running for a municipality, doing a live interview on tv, with a senior “aid” of the party whispering over the shoulder what should be replied to each question from the reporter. Guaranteed new ideas if the party won that election.
Communism is a dead ideology as it exists. The principles manifested by the author make sense and are a very healthy counter weight to have to twart far right ideologies but communism itself is too prone to move for power grabbing.
As a side line: our currently more “far left” party defines itself as trotskyist/leninist yet that party is much more moderated in all lines and fronts than the communist party and is known for having a strong wish for elevating new blood for positions of responsability. It was also this party the first to show concern for social matters like LGBTQ+ and ask for more liberal legislation for cannabis use.
Being “far left” it is very much liberal.
I like the implication that Poland is or should be centre-moderate, but the current ruling party is anything but
Damn, I thought that was Austria’s flag. Since when does Poland use a red-white-red flag?
katy ✨this shouldn’t be controversial i will never understand why anyone glorifies the soviet union
AnamanaI wonder what affiliation these wonderful people have. To me it looks like right wing? Can someone from Poland help out?
Because Nazis bad sure, but what does that have to do with right wing extresmism in Poland /s
Yeah, especially st*lin
I don’t trust anyone making a big deal out of stalin. He was a pretty boring politician at the end of the day. The only thing they did that got him the reputation was be the face of the cold war and target of a fuck ton of anti-Soviet (coming from American Nazis) propaganda.
What fucked up shit happened under Lenin?
Well lets just say the transition from Tsarist Russia to the USSR wasn’t exactly bloodless.
Of course not, it was a revolt. It’s not like the tsar system was super nice and neat either.
Lenin sucked, did terrible things, and it was his ideas that allowed the movement to become what it is today, but Stalin was not a boring politician. He was undeniably a brutal dictator who built a cult of personality, murdered worker delegates, didn’t answer to any democratic body, and committed ethnic cleansing. Most of those things were openly admitted by his successors following his death. The only thing more suspicious than anti-communists are people who describe the worst monsters in history as normal.
andrew_bidlawLenin died in the 20s not far from USSR even forming. Everything after that is done using him like a religious martyr or messiah. Stalin had more time with absolute power, until fifties.
All the ethnic cleansing stand out pretty well.
Because they turned themselves from a shithole nation into a world superpower practically overnight. The odds were super stacked against them and if it wasn’t for them collapsing under their own contradictions (and a boatload of pressure from fascism worldwide) they would still be one today.
I think you are overestimating how bad Russia was pre ussr. It was still a global power, and had it continued as an imperial power and slowly democratised as the west it would still fill the power vacuum from Germany.
Also calling everyone who is an anti communist or opposed the ussr fascist is super reductionist. You can also oppose the ussr for their genocides.
“Because they turned themselves from a shithole nation into a world superpower practically overnight.”
The secret ingredient was a metric fuckton of imperialism.
I agree with you, but that’s the communist symbol, not the URSS
I fuckin’ hate people who act like communism is their religion, but comparing the whole movement to actual nazis is how you get people to stop taking you seriously.
If only there was a universal symbol for nationalism
And one for capitalism too
darcytheres ‘generic currency symbol’
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Well, there’s a universal variable at least. It’s right in the middle of the banner:
This is even an old version of the polish coat of arms which is often used by nationalists
yeah! nationalists of all countries should work together to design one
SnowyYes extremism but for a secret third thing (anarchism).
Other banners from this march
Not so cool anymore eh? Don’t glorify fascists.
Oh fuck i didn’t know that. Damn why are people like that
pls don’t post European politics stuff if you don’t know the details of the situation.
i still stand behind the message of the picture i posted
Polish propagandists take from the best practices around the globe.
GOP and Hungary being the most closely looked at.
But this tactic is quite common. Look, we share the same ideas! Besides this one but this is just a sideline, by which I mean the entire point
HolzkohlenAh yes, those three things are equally as bad. Gay marriage is comparable to concentration camps. Gay people being able to adopt is literally as bad as the holodomor. /s just in case
Yeah let’s glorify the parades of nationalists.
RoyaltyInTrainingI immediately write off all groups who put everyone claiming to be a communist in the same group. You gotta realize that communists are a diverse group, ranging from people who simply use communist logic in a democratic context to outright stalinists.
This photo is from the 2018 Independence March in Poland. If interpreted in good faith, it could simply be opposition to authoritarianism or historically to the USSR and the Third Reich. I think it’s fine if that’s the case, and yet I can’t bring myself to like anything about The Independence March. It was initiated by far-right ultranationalists like the National Radical Camp, All-Poland Youth, and National Movement, and organized by the people from these groups. Far-right political parties such as the current ruling Law and Justice, and the Konfederacja are also involved. Even Italian neo-fascists from Forza Nuova were there in 2018. For more than a decade, acts of xenophobia, homophobia (including the infamous burning of the “tęcza” on Savior Square), nationalist and fascist ideologies, and hatred have taken place there. Polish Independence Day should be a day of celebration for me, but because of this march, every year I wish this day to end as soon as possible. And just to be clear, I’m not saying that people in this photo are evil or committing any of the acts mentioned above. Perhaps they just want to celebrate The Independence Day in their own way without thinking about the context of the march (which is very likely), but because of the history of the march I can never know for sure who isn’t evil (excluding children, they’re always evil). For all I know, the same people holding this banner may have no problem holding the 2022 banner (the text says “stop totalitarianism”):