and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs

https://lemmy.world/post/6640242

and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs - Lemmy.world

While they don’t address it directly, they do provide a route to address it. The issue is a lot of governments are pushing electric cars, and washing their hands of the rest.

There are 3 issues with electric cars.

  • They are cars - Obvious to most here, but better public transport can vastly improve the situation, regardless of how the car is powered.

  • Batteries - Electric car batteries are far from perfect. Their range is reduced and they are heavier. There is also the issue of lithium, and/or other chemicals used in the batteries.

  • Power source - An electric car is only as clean as its energy supply. Powering it from a coal power station is far worse than using renewables.

Counter to these however.

  • Cars will still be needed, to some extent. Electric are the least worst option we have NOW. We no longer have time to wait for a better option, or find a perfect solution.

  • Lithium can be recycled; we currently don’t, due to the small amounts, but this will change as economics adjust . Also, we are not actually that short of it, it’s just not be economically valuable enough to mine on a larger scale. Range can be adjusted as tech improves. We can also change how we operate. E.g. Combining out of town parking and charging with public transport options is an excellent way to get people using public transport on a large scale again, in an organic manner.

  • Power wise, it’s easy to shift an electric car from fossil fuel to renewables. It’s very difficult to shift an ICE car. This is also something we should be doing far more anyhow (but no-one seems to be interested in improving the grid!). On a side note, even accounting for various losses. The sheer efficiency factor of a power station means it’s still better to burn oil to run an electric car, than to run the car directly on the oil.

Don’t get me wrong, the fixation on electric cars is dangerous, but they are still required as part of the solution. We just need to actually work on that solution. While the right, in politics, has a tendency to ā€œcircle the wagonsā€ which causes a significant number of problems. The left has a tendency towards ā€œcircular firing squadsā€. We should all be careful not to help kill ideas and projects that pull in vaguely the right direction, even if it’s not exactly what we want.

My main problems with EVs is that they don’t reduce car dependency and the upfront manufacturing environmental cost of making them do not make them more eco friendly across their lifespan. Car manufacturers are just jumping on the bandwagon to keep cars relevant in the mind of the consumer and clean their image of more obvious pollutants such as gas and oil.

Electric cars will just perpetuate all the other problems with cars, while tricking consumer into thinking they’re making an environmentally sound choice and clean their conscience. There was still a giant environmental cost to making them, children still mined lithium for them, tyre rubber will still fill the lungs of people, etc etc.

Lithium isn’t mined it is gathered by pumping water into salt flats so the lithium rises to the surface and it isn’t done by children. You’re repeating misinformation.

There is an environmental cost for absolutely anything we make. Do you suggest we stop making anything and everything?

Electric cars are the more environmentally sound choice. They are a required first step to ending our dependence on fossil fuels. With them we cannot bend our dependency.

US measure would ban products containing mineral mined with child labor in Congo

New U.S. legislation would ban imported products containing critical green transition minerals mined by child labor in Congo

ABC News

Your first three articles are about children mining COBALT in Africa. Not mining lithium like I said.

Cobalt is not required for making EVs. It is just an ingredient in one of the many different battery types.

Your 4th link is about using child labor in China to build batteries. Not mine material.

Conclusion: you either didn’t read the articles or you are trying to move the goalpost.

What about the other two links? šŸ¤”

Theres 4 links that I see. I commented on the first 3 then the 4th.

If that went unnoticed by you then how is anyone supposed to trust your research on the subject?

Oh sorry, I skipped ā€œthreeā€
I wonder how many words you ā€œskippedā€ while you ā€œresearchedā€ the subject.