QuaffPotionsTime to grow up.
Judging by the horns, this milk is going to taste a bit salty
That’s not how it works. Female cows can have horns.
Those horns are pretty huge for a cow.
Great comeback!
No bull.
Huh. TIL
You don’t usually see female cows with horns, since they get burnt off shortly after birth with either fire or acid.
JoeBigelowThat’s sad. I’d like to stop learning now.
Sometimes they regrow and get burnt off multiple times.
If they’d allow the horns to grow, it would be impossible to keep so many cows in the same area. The one with the biggest horns would bully all the others and a lot of cows will get hurt. If there are multiple with big horns, they fight for dominance. They keep getting into fights till one of them is killed.
Sometimes the horns keep growing and the animal needs to go to the slaughter because of it. Each time the horns are burnt off it’s a chance to get infected, so you can’t keep doing it. If you let it grow in a case like this, the growth is uncontrolled and would most likely curl up and grow into the cows head, causing all sorts of problems. So a cow like that isn’t useful for growing more cows and producing milk, it’s only purpose would be to get slaughtered and provide meat.
The more you learn about animal farming, the more you want to become a vegan.
empireOfLovethe fuck is all this bullshit? do you even know what you’re talking about?
Most breeds maintained in any number in the US these days, typically angus, herefords, and holsteins, have had any visible horns selectively bred out of them. They’re just too hard to keep otherwise. Yes, those with horns do get them docked if necessary- but those breeds are just not that common anymore.
Have you considered the world doesn’t end at the US border?
Most people engaging in these arguments are happy to accuse the United States of the sins of all cow-rearing countries. The anti-cow folks can’t have their cake and eat it too. A majority of people involved in both sides of these discussions are in countries that use progressive cattle-rearing processes that are more humane, more ecologically sound, and more nutritionally sustainable than countries like India and China.
US borders should end where the Galaxy ends.
One Imperium. His Imperium.
None of this bothers me.
SmirkIt’s not meant for you. I can assume it’s meant for people whom it does bother, and also don’t know.
One would hope that people bothered by these things would take their time to visit a farm and see the full experience and relationship of cows and farmers, instead of making major life decisions off snippets.
For example, it seems minimally fair to show the outcome of cowfights (the reason we dehorn them), or to depict that the options (for any animal) are domestication, wild, or anti-natalism. People bothered by these things are likely to be equally bothered by a cow bleeding out slowly in the jaws of a predator animal, OR the idea of basically wiping out the species.
A lot of things that gross vegans out are for the good of the cow, but make wonderfully horrific soundbytes.
Fail mate, go watch any number of exposé’s.
Chalked it up to “horrific soundbytes” lmao, got your head buried in the sand pal.
Miss me with your lack of compassion.
Fail mate, go watch any number of exposé’s.
Why would I want to watch propaganda? Also, what’s “fail” about it? I’d rather watch a real animal be slaughtered, prepared, and eat it than watch some “exposé” designed to scare and disgust people.
Chalked it up to “horrific soundbytes” lmao, got your head buried in the sand pal
You sound like you’re 12. You’re not even making bloody sense.
Miss me with your lack of compassion.
Why are you singing “miss me” because I’m not going to kiss you. I don’t know if English isn’t your first language or if you’re just a middle-schooler, but when you insult someone with broken English you look pretty sad.
You said it yourself, but yeah you do misunderstand.
Like I said it’s not meant for people like you. It’s meant for people who I don’t need to convince that what we unnecessarily do is wrong, you’ll feel it if you have the empathy, and that’s entirely on you and your morality bro.
The people this will reach and make think, will tell people what needs to be done, and even when they know, and don’t want to do it because irrelevant reasons, they STILL do what needs to be done, because compassion.
If you don’t get it, it’s OK! It’s not meant to “be got” by you.
Take care, try be better bro x
Unfortunately, it’s not explained much better here, but let me try to respond.
Like I said it’s not meant for people like you. It’s meant for people who I don’t need to convince that what we unnecessarily do is wrong, you’ll feel it if you have the empathy, and that’s entirely on you and your morality bro.
You seem to be falsely accusing me of lacking empathy. I can’t really respond with more because you’re still not giving me a coherent reply. And I tend to lean on ethics more than morality. Right and Wrong should be quantifiable things, not things other people have convinced us of. I have a feeling I know a whole lot more about morality and ethics than you do, and have probably spent a whole lot more time seriously considering the implications of things like veganism. I just concluded different than you.
The people this will reach and make think, will tell people what needs to be done, and even when they know
That’s why I’m here. Fighting propaganda and lies. It’s easy to convince somebody to join a cult if they only hear the cult’s side of things.
they STILL do what needs to be done, because compassion
Nobody should be making important decisions about their lives or the world over irrational emotion and personal trauma. That’s not compassion, it’s brainwashing.
If you don’t get it, it’s OK! It’s not meant to “be got” by you.
Trust me, it’s not going to “be got” by anyone. Since I actually spent time trying to reply, I can tell you that everyone else will be 1 line in on yours and say “I have no idea what this guy is saying” and move on. I’m not afraid of you convincing people to be vegan. I’m afraid of other, more eloquent propagandists doing so
Take care, try be better bro x
Pot. Kettle. But do your best, that’s all we can do.
At this point I think you’re either an anti vegan bot/troll, an animal agriculture shill, or just someone so enraptured in the decision they’ve made, before ever really thinking, that I genuinely feel sorry about what got you to this point.
You’d made your mind up ages ago, yet you’re still looking for my attention… So yeah, either bot/troll, shill, or dogmatic to the point you’re blind to how you come across.
Peace.
At this point I think you’re either an anti vegan bot/troll, an animal agriculture shill, or just someone so enraptured in the decision they’ve made
…because I’m accusing you of speaking incoherently? I don’t mean that in a vegan vs anti-vegan angle. I mean nobody is going to have a clue what you’re saying. It feels like the first time I tried to talk to someone in a country where nobody spoke English. If someone offered me $100 to explain what you’re saying, I would lose the $100 because I just don’t have a clue.
Instead of just insulting me, why don’t you try harder to explain what you mean?
…because I’m accusing you of speaking incoherently?
If that’s what you believe, that’s OK.
Instead of just insulting me, why don’t you try harder to explain what you mean?
Sorry if you feel I insulted you…? You’re trying to have a debate here, I’m not. That’s it. Get over it, move on with your life. Or keep me in your head rent free idm. If you can’t read between the lines, and see the bigger picture, there are future vegans that will see, and then act, as I did.
Whatever your goal, you either know what you’re doing, or don’t, isn’t my concern, and it’s apparant from the off that your anti vegan stance comes before anything worth responding to. That’s why my engagement with you is low. Others will see through it (intended or not).
If you need to feel the thrill of a win, here you go.
You’d actually make a brilliant case study on anti vegan rhetoric ngl.
Here’s my disengagement kiss. X
If that’s what you believe, that’s OK.
That’s not believe. Nobody reading this even knows what the hell you’re saying other than that you’re (somehow) disagreeing with the non-vegan. I know this because enough people are following my discussions to argue with me that someone would have jumped in to rephrase your point and shove it down my throat by now if that weren’t the case.
Sorry if you feel I insulted you…?
You called me (and I quote) "either an anti vegan bot/troll, an animal agriculture shill, or just someone so enraptured " when I told you I that you weren’t making sense.
If you need to feel the thrill of a win, here you go.
No. I’d just like to know what the heck you’re talking about.
You’ll just never know. Others will. Move on. X
That’s just because your soul is terrifying
The more you learn about animal farming, the more you want to become a vegan.
That’s actually patently false. Farmers’ families are very unlikely to become vegan.
Nah. It’s to avoid accidents with holes in cows.
And intentional attacks with horns. Cows have no problem killing each other, and it’s a baaad death.
Cows only produce milk when they’ve recently had a baby, so farmers get their cows pregnant every year. The females become the new milking cows, and the males go into the grinder. The males aren’t used for meat because different breeds are used for milk than for meat.
It’s a little better than that, males are kept pent in too small enclosures and fed only milk until they’re too fat to move, THEN they’re slaughtered, because veal is pretty fuckin tasty
Ah, the wonders oft childhood obesity
Sybilhardly an cattle become veal at all. like far less that 5%.
This is class A bullshit.
Milk is harvested for human consumption. What would be the point of dairy farms if you’re feeding the milk to the offspring?
Milk-fed veal is most definitely a thing. My uncle had a whole farm based on it when I was a kid.
the vast majority of the males are brought to full weight before slaughter
This is not true. Dairy Bobby Calves can be used in veal.
Squeamish people being unwilling to eat veal is the main reason that they are not all utilized for that purpose.
Dairy Bobby Calves are used for veal.
almost none of them do end up as veal though.
Agreed. People are wrongly disgusted by veal and think they’re doing something good by avoiding it. More people should eat more veal.
People are wrongly disgusted by veal and think they’re doing something good by avoiding it. More people should eat more veal.
i didn’t say it’s wrong to be disgusted by anything, nor am i telling anyone what they should or shouldn’t eat.
Yes farmers are definitely known for maximizing cruelty for giggles over efficiency and profit, and that’s why they murder bulls for fun.
Perhaps have even one conversation with an actual dairy farmer in your life.
It’s not as bad as that. Dehorning is one of the “worst” things in dairy farming, and it is done to ***save *** pain and lives.
Dude, most vets I have seen just use a horn popper that shears the growth point off of the skull
Cows are dehorned because they will literally murder each other.
Most farms dehorn cows in ways and times to make the pain minimal.