MicroWaveOct 8, 2023

German woman's body paraded naked, spit on by Hamas fighters in Israel

https://lemmy.world/post/6485742

German woman's body paraded naked, spit on by Hamas fighters in Israel - Lemmy.world

Disturbing visuals of Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman on the streets of Israel have emerged. Another woman confirmed that it was her sister, a German citizen, seen in the video. As the Israel-Gaza conflict rages, disturbing visuals of fighters of the Palestinian armed group Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman through the streets of Israel in the back of a pickup truck have emerged. According to videos that surfaced on social media, a screaming crowd surrounds the Hamas’ vehicle, echoing their cries and spitting on the woman’s body. Hamas initially claimed that the body belonged to a female Israeli soldier, according to news.com.au [http://news.com.au]. However, Adi Louk confirmed on X that the woman seen in the video was her sister, Shani Louk, a German citizen and a tattoo artist, reported the New York Post. Shani Louk’s mother, in a video message posted by Visegrad 24 on X, confirmed her daughter’s identity and appealed to people for more information regarding her whereabouts.

Show threadUncle_IrohOct 8, 2023
There is exactly nothing I can say about Hamas or Isreal that doesn’t make me seem like a huge piece of shit. What a shitty situation between 2 shitty groups and it’s unfortunate others are being pulled into it.
Show threadruford1976Oct 8, 2023

53% of Palestinians (not only Gazans, where the % is likely significantly higher) are supporters of Hamas.

Source:

apnews.com/…/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e13…

the rest of them support fatah who just released a statement condoning the attacks.

There is no alternative. Palestine is a failed Islamist state.

Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas

JERUSALEM (AP) — A new poll released Tuesday finds a dramatic surge in Palestinian support for Hamas following last month's Gaza war, with around three quarters viewing the Islamic militants as victors in a battle against Israel to defend Jerusalem and its holy sites.

AP News
Show threadTheEighthDoctorOct 8, 2023
Israel took their lands and kicked them out of their houses, kills them by the hundreds, the world does nothing because Israel is a friend of the US who do you think they are going to turn to if not to rebels?
Show threadJasSmithOct 8, 2023
I support them turning to rebels. I don’t support them turning to terrorists who intentionally murder innocent civilians. There is a large distinction between the two.
Show threadTheEighthDoctorOct 8, 2023
That’s my point, I don’t think anyone that is sane and in good faith supports any terrorist organization but you can’t blame the population of Gaza to see in Hamas their defenders.
Show threadJasSmithOct 8, 2023
Sure I can. They turned to terrorists who murder innocent civilians. They should not do that.
Show threadPhanatikOct 8, 2023
What alternative do they have?
Show threadJasSmith
There are many choices besides “nothing” and “murder innocent people.”
Oct 8, 2023 at 10:32amWeb
Show threadPhanatikOct 8, 2023
In their eyes, Israel has been hurting innocent people since this began. They received no international condemnation for it. The innocent people in Palestine went largely ignored by the international community.
Show threadJasSmithOct 8, 2023
I don’t understand how that is a response or argument. I agree with your description of events. I’m disagreeing with the response. Yes, they’ve been treated unfairly. No, beating, raping, and murdering innocent people is not an acceptable response.
Show threadosarusanOct 9, 2023
Yes. All of that is correct. And still there are many choices besides “nothing” and “murder innocent people.”
Show threadSARGEx117Oct 8, 2023

So give them a solution they’ve never thought of before. I’m sure your internet degree is sufficient to convince them.

Everyone likes to preach about how it’s wrong to do the thing they’re doing, but nobody EVER has an alternative that will actually work, or hasn’t been tried before.

I don’t have a solution, and THIS certainly isn’t it, but then I’m not dragging a soapbox around with me.

Go give the IRA a better solution. Go give the American colonists a better solution against the redcoats. Give the poor of france a better solution during the French revolution.

I don’t have a better way, but don’t pretend like you do

Show threadHyperrealityOct 8, 2023

A better way was offered at Camp David in 2000. Arafat walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer. Israeli PM Barak offered deeply unpopular and unprecedented concessions. Saudi prince Bandar described not accepting the deal or negotiating further as criminal. Arafat won popularity when he walked away.

That is just one incident in a long and complicated history, but the point is that there's more than enough blame to go around and there were other options.

Time and again, both parties chose to continue further down this road. They'll likely continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I say likely, because that isn't even the worst case scenario. Israel's government is arguably borderline far right now, so it's not impossible that this will all escalate so much that there one way or another, it's 'resolved' through outright violence.

Show threadJasSmithOct 8, 2023

So give them a solution they’ve never thought of before. I’m sure your internet degree is sufficient to convince them… I don’t have a better way, but don’t pretend like you do.

I am not claiming I have a solution. Far from it. I am in no position of authority or influence. In fact, it’s not my responsibility to fix the conflict. I am merely condemning the assault, rape, and murder of innocent people. I do not believe there is any justification for this.