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MicroWave Oct 8, 2023

German woman's body paraded naked, spit on by Hamas fighters in Israel

https://lemmy.world/post/6485742

German woman's body paraded naked, spit on by Hamas fighters in Israel - Lemmy.world

Disturbing visuals of Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman on the streets of Israel have emerged. Another woman confirmed that it was her sister, a German citizen, seen in the video. As the Israel-Gaza conflict rages, disturbing visuals of fighters of the Palestinian armed group Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman through the streets of Israel in the back of a pickup truck have emerged. According to videos that surfaced on social media, a screaming crowd surrounds the Hamas’ vehicle, echoing their cries and spitting on the woman’s body. Hamas initially claimed that the body belonged to a female Israeli soldier, according to news.com.au [http://news.com.au]. However, Adi Louk confirmed on X that the woman seen in the video was her sister, Shani Louk, a German citizen and a tattoo artist, reported the New York Post. Shani Louk’s mother, in a video message posted by Visegrad 24 on X, confirmed her daughter’s identity and appealed to people for more information regarding her whereabouts.

Uncle_Iroh Oct 8, 2023

There is exactly nothing I can say about Hamas or Isreal that doesn’t make me seem like a huge piece of shit. What a shitty situation between 2 shitty groups and it’s unfortunate others are being pulled into it.

ruford1976 Oct 8, 2023

53% of Palestinians (not only Gazans, where the % is likely significantly higher) are supporters of Hamas.

Source:

apnews.com/…/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e13…

the rest of them support fatah who just released a statement condoning the attacks.

There is no alternative. Palestine is a failed Islamist state.

Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas

JERUSALEM (AP) — A new poll released Tuesday finds a dramatic surge in Palestinian support for Hamas following last month's Gaza war, with around three quarters viewing the Islamic militants as victors in a battle against Israel to defend Jerusalem and its holy sites.

AP News

TheEighthDoctor Oct 8, 2023

Israel took their lands and kicked them out of their houses, kills them by the hundreds, the world does nothing because Israel is a friend of the US who do you think they are going to turn to if not to rebels?

JasSmith Oct 8, 2023

I support them turning to rebels. I don’t support them turning to terrorists who intentionally murder innocent civilians. There is a large distinction between the two.

TheEighthDoctor Oct 8, 2023

That’s my point, I don’t think anyone that is sane and in good faith supports any terrorist organization but you can’t blame the population of Gaza to see in Hamas their defenders.

JasSmith Oct 8, 2023

Sure I can. They turned to terrorists who murder innocent civilians. They should not do that.

Phanatik Oct 8, 2023

What alternative do they have?

they can not do that.

Phanatik Oct 8, 2023

And get crushed by Israel? That's not a choice.

Hyperreality Oct 8, 2023

Supporting Hamas is what is going to get them crushed even further.

LordFarkWad7 Oct 8, 2023

They’ve getting crushed brutally for decades. Hamas has only been in power since 2006.

middleeastmonitor.com/20171209-remembering-the-fi…

Remembering the First Intifada

On this day 30 years ago, the First Intifada broke out in occupied Palestine. It was an uprising which would last for over five years, and witness the deaths of...

Middle East Monitor

SuperCuber Oct 8, 2023

Because killing unarmed civilians definitely gives them a military advantage in the conflict /s

Risk Oct 8, 2023

“Have you tried not being repressed?”

SuperCuber Oct 8, 2023

More like, “have you tried attacking only military targets and not massacring civilians”?

Risk Oct 8, 2023

I’m not defending Hamas/Hezbollah/terrorism but the Israeli State - and anybody paying attention - doesn’t get to act all surprised at this result when you repress a population.

The status quo of Israel, Gaza, and Palestine is a deliberate product of those in control of the situation - and the populations are the ones that suffer the consequences.

Cethin Oct 8, 2023

I love that the answer to alternatives is “not that.” So you suggest they continue to do nothing and let the IDF kill innocent people? This isn’t “good” but neither is the status quo.

osarusan Oct 9, 2023

I love the dishonest replies that pretend "not that" means "nothing at all."

Cethin Oct 9, 2023

The point is they’re actually there, have been living in the situation, and are doing something. You’re only response is that that isn’t allowed. You aren’t there or in their situation. You should keep your mouth shut if the most helpful thing you have to add is “not that.” It was brutal and horrible before this and it’ll be brutal and horrible after.

osarusan Oct 9, 2023

You aren’t there or in their situation. You should keep your mouth shut

You realize that applies to you equally, right? I hope you do. Because this is the dishonesty I'm talking about.

In actually, I have as much right as you to comment on this situation, especially since this is an internet forum where the whole point is discussion. So "keep your mouth shut" is just about the most useless comment ever, and should be heeded by those who think to say it.

So, yes. I am well within my rights to say that murdering hundreds of civilians at a music festival, and raping, beating, and parading naked a foreign national are not the right way to go about protesting oppression by the Israeli government. Just as you are well within your rights to argue that those are acceptable things to do. It's an awful thing for you to defend, but you're allowed to express that opinion.

Cethin Oct 9, 2023

Absolutely it applies equally to me. Where did I say they should or shouldn’t be doing anything?

You have the right to say whatever you want. War is nasty, and a weaker forcer fighting a stronger force is usually even worse. They can’t win a head on attack. The only reasonable option is guerilla attacks on targets of opportunity. I’m not going to say what those targets are allowed to be or what tools or methods they’re allowed to employ.

The people of Israel have elected far-right leaders with Zionist ideals. Not all of them obviously, but all of them did have a choice. If they finally faced consequences for Zionism they might change their mind. I doubt that’ll happen with this (it’ll probably make it worse) but if things fall together in the right way it could. I don’t know what other options they have other than keep getting murdered and having their houses stolen.

osarusan Oct 9, 2023

I’m not going to say what those targets are allowed to be or what tools or methods they’re allowed to employ.

And I think that's a shame.

Slaughtering, raping, and torturing civilians and foreign nationals who are in no way involved in the decision making process is not acceptable. Hard stop.

It's shameful that you won't say that too.