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MicroWave Oct 8, 2023

German woman's body paraded naked, spit on by Hamas fighters in Israel

https://lemmy.world/post/6485742

German woman's body paraded naked, spit on by Hamas fighters in Israel - Lemmy.world

Disturbing visuals of Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman on the streets of Israel have emerged. Another woman confirmed that it was her sister, a German citizen, seen in the video. As the Israel-Gaza conflict rages, disturbing visuals of fighters of the Palestinian armed group Hamas parading a naked and battered body of a woman through the streets of Israel in the back of a pickup truck have emerged. According to videos that surfaced on social media, a screaming crowd surrounds the Hamas’ vehicle, echoing their cries and spitting on the woman’s body. Hamas initially claimed that the body belonged to a female Israeli soldier, according to news.com.au [http://news.com.au]. However, Adi Louk confirmed on X that the woman seen in the video was her sister, Shani Louk, a German citizen and a tattoo artist, reported the New York Post. Shani Louk’s mother, in a video message posted by Visegrad 24 on X, confirmed her daughter’s identity and appealed to people for more information regarding her whereabouts.

TechDiver Oct 8, 2023

Hamas are barbaric terrorists

And so is Israel. Two terrorist groups throwing bombs to each other, without giving a heck about their own citizens. 🤷🏻‍♂️

MeanEYE Oct 8, 2023

Name one military which warns where bombs will fall to give civilians a chance to flee? Or sending first aid supplies after civilians get hurt.

Chariotwheel Oct 8, 2023

You think giving notice makes bombing okay? It's okay to hurt someone if you're sending first aids afterwards?

What a sick world view.

Not to mentuon the illegal settlements and suprrssing and harassement of Palestinians daily.

SuperCuber Oct 8, 2023

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Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest
Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations

How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:

“Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday)
Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate
Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas

As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.

To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.

Residential Building In Gaza Strip Collapses After Israeli Strike In Response To Hamas Attack

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DrPop Oct 8, 2023

It’s war, those are the rules of engagement for war. I’d they didn’t do that out would be considered a war crime. It’s not about what someone’s world view is. Israel definitely created the situation they are in today through their oppression, but that is how you do that. 15 minutes is enough time to evacuate.

jarfil Oct 8, 2023

rules of engagement for war

I thought those were “shoot before you get shot”. Firing warning shots is being super polite about it. Still sucks for the civilians though.

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

You think giving notice DOESN’T make it okay?

Israel has found a way of destroying terrorists headquarters without injuring the civilians that Hamas is using as human shields.

In the history of the WORLD has any country every bent over backwards this much?

And you guys wonder why both Republicans and Democrats overwhelming ignore your criticisms? It’s because your position isn’t a serious one.

Anoxydre Oct 8, 2023

Are you seriously defending a country throwing bombs to civilians just because they « warn »? That’s one of the dumbest take I ever read here.

SuperCuber Oct 8, 2023

Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest
Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations

How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:

“Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday)
Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate
Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas

As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.

Residential Building In Gaza Strip Collapses After Israeli Strike In Response To Hamas Attack

YouTube

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.

Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?

This isn’t good-faith criticism.

These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why.

SatansMaggotyCumFart Oct 8, 2023

People can criticize Israel and not have a problem with Jewish people.

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

Sure… In the same way that cops don’t necessarily have to be racist to be part of a system that is unquestionably racist.

Plenty of people who aren’t anti-Jewish don’t give a second thought to the fact that they spend about 10000% more energy publicly criticizing Israel than they do any of Israel’s neighbors who oppress women horrifically, murder LGBTQ people, and are unabashedly pro-genocide.

They also criticize Israel for civilian collateral damage without acknowledging that Israeli’s steps to minimize those deaths are the most advanced in history, and that they easily outperform even the United States in minimizing casualties during military operations.

So, no… You don’t have to be anti-Jewish to be anti Israel, but when you criticize the only Jewish state for things that you give inarguably worse nations a pass for… Your absolutely feeding into an anti-Jewish system.

MeanEYE Oct 8, 2023

Are you seriously defending people who launch rockets from schools and hide behind civilians? Who kidnap civilians to use as meat shields? If you are looking for dumbest take you only need look into a mirror.

Anoxydre Oct 8, 2023

Because I defended anyone here? Stop reading what is comforting your shit opinion. Just said that both are terrorists.

MeanEYE Oct 8, 2023

Objectively they are not even close to being the same or equally bad. You can consider my opinion shit or whatever, luckily that changes exactly nothing. War is disgusting and always innocent pay the price, but you will find it that it’s always the same side that initiates these…

spiderplant Oct 8, 2023

Neither side initiate these, its tit for tat going back over 100 years

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

Are you serious NOT defending a country that does that? That goes out of their way to destroy terrorist infrastructure while taking extraordinary steps to give civilians time to evacuate, necessarily letting terrorists themselves flee to go kill Israelis again, because that’s what it takes to protect innocent lives?!

You’re NOT defending that country?

Why the fuck not. That’s insane.

foggy Oct 8, 2023

I have you tagged as “has shitty takes” lmao.

MeanEYE Oct 8, 2023

Such a meaningful designation from such a distinguished persona.

foggy Oct 8, 2023

lol ok bud

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

My friend, these anti-Israel zealots won’t be happy unless Israel just rolls over and lets Hamas kill Jews without consequence.

The anti-Israel crowd thinkd Israel is the devil of it fights back.

They think Israel is the devil, if, as you mentioned, they call buildings ahead of time, and give people time to evacuate, before Israel bombs terrorist. Headquarters, because I guess they think Palestinian buildings are more important than Israeli lives.

They think Israel is the devil if they build a security fence to keep our suicide bombers.

Mostly they think Israel is the devil because Israel offered the most general peace deal in history, but refuse to give Palestinian’s the Right of Return, which would have allowed Palestinians to claim voting rights, and literally vote to turn Israel into an anti-Jewish theocracy.

Now… Most of the people HERE haven’t the foggiest clue about any of that. And if you talked them through the situation and the options, they’d understand that Israel does not now, nor have they ever had a partner on the Palestinian side with which to make peace. They want Israel gone, full stop. And you can’t make peace with people who believe in literally no situations in which you still exist at the end.

Israel, on the other hand has showed throughout it’s history that it will do extraordinary things for peace. They gave up land for peace with Egypt. They have offered extraordinary concessions.

But the people who really needed to read this downvoted me in the first paragraph and are already typing a rant.

TheTetrapod Oct 8, 2023

They should cede the land, yes. I don’t care if they keep living there, but they should, you know, stop stealing land and literal homes from the victims of the apartheid they’re benefitting from. You don’t blame a beaten dog for lashing out at the hand that hits it.

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

I am against the settlements. Dick move.

But I’m against Palestinians blowing up school busses more.

ZombieTheZombieCat Oct 8, 2023

Wasn’t Israel literally demolishing the homes of innocent Palestinian families, causing small children to become homeless overnight? Terrorist groups usually form in response to something. Like, I don’t know, an apartheid state killing them if they don’t leave their homes

Cryophilia Oct 8, 2023

Yeah, Israel has murdered Palestinian children, it just doesn’t get publicized as much.

Not condoning Hamas here. This is two shitty groups being shitty to each other and innocent civilians getting caught up in it.

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

Israel has demolished a lot of homes, most because they were being used by terrorists to make bombs.

Some for other reasons. We’d have to look at a case by case basis to see what you’re referring to.

If you’re saying that Israel just rolled in to for the purpose of making life miserable, and knocked down a house, I’d be really curious about who is making that claim and what evidence they are citing.

assassin_aragorn Oct 8, 2023

And now they’re a terrorist group killing innocent people leaving their homes. Israel decided to punish people for being born Palestinian. Hamas has decided to punish people for being born Israeli.

You can’t hate one but support the other. All Hamas has done is make it clear they’re no better, likely worse even.

paciencia Oct 8, 2023

ah yes how magnanimous of them to give back Sinai after illegally occupying it for 15 years.

Catradora-Stalinism☭Oct 10, 2023

warning is when you stop people from leaving the area and then cluster bombing them

mr47 Oct 8, 2023

Are you seriously comparing a group that openly targets civilians, hiding in civilian infrastructure, with a group that retaliates? Good luck coming up with a response that matches your standards when your country is under a rocket barrage. The double standards people develop when sitting in the safety of their home and regurgitating biased news... It's thanks to people like you that this conflict thrives, because extremists from both sides use the lies you spread to their advantage.

NoneOfUrBusiness Oct 8, 2023

re you seriously comparing a group that openly targets civilians, hiding in civilian infrastructure, with a group that retaliates?

Israel oppresses Palestinians, Hamas retaliates and Israel retaliates against their retaliation, rinse and repeat.

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

They’ve offered these people peaceful coexistance and self-governance for more than half a century.

Palestinians have walked away from every peace talk and turned to terrorism.

The only ones with power to change the dynamic are the Palestinians.

NoneOfUrBusiness Oct 8, 2023

Palestinians have walked away from every peace talk and turned to terrorism.

Because every peace talk has been "We're gonna offer you a fraction of your stuff and you should be happy about it". The Israeli position is that Palestine should be happy with breadcrumbs, and Palestinians are understandably not happy about that. Israel hasn't changed its position, and has actually gotten worse, hence terrorism.

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

Not at all. Israel’s offers of peace have been objectively the most generous terms in history.

NoneOfUrBusiness Oct 9, 2023

None of them involved pulling out of Gaza and the West Bank, that's for sure. When your peace offers practically don't even include independence, it's hard to take them seriously. And don't get me started about East Jerusalem.

flossdaily Oct 9, 2023

Yikes, dude. They already pulled out of Gaza… A looong time ago.

NoneOfUrBusiness Oct 9, 2023

Yes. After six years of fighting.

Cryophilia Oct 8, 2023

Are you seriously comparing a group that openly targets civilians, hiding in civilian infrastructure, with a group that retaliates?

The funny thing is I have no idea which side you’re talking about here.

can Oct 8, 2023

Right? This is shitty all 'round

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

Hamas quite famously and openly uses their own people as human shields. They launch rocket attacks from hospitals and school buildings to give Israel the choice between retaliating by striking those places, or just sitting there and letting their own civilians die.

And when you get mad at Israel for the times they do retaliate, you’re 100 percent playing into the hands of the terrorists. The WHOLE reason they use this tactic is because YOUR reaction to it is their goal.

assassin_aragorn Oct 8, 2023

Which is why it’s infuriating when someone takes a side without a shred of nuance here. Too many people don’t understand that you can can condemn Hamas, condemn the Israeli government, and still believe the Palestinian and Israeli civilians deserve to live in peace.

Shardikprime Oct 9, 2023

The Palestinian love Hamas, and utterly detest Israel

flossdaily Oct 8, 2023

That’s exactly what they are doing.

They hold Israel to an invented standard that they apply to no other nation.

There was a brief, shining moment after 9/11 when the entire world was united against terrorism. But the critics of Israel were so determined to frame Israel as the bad guys that they invented a meaningless phrase “state terrorism” which just meant “anything that Israel does”. And they pretended that that was the moral equal to the actual terrorism of the Palestinians, deliberately targeting children and other innocents.

Israel builds a fence to keep out suicide bombers. They scream “apartheid!”

Israel bulldozes a vacated house that was used as a terrorist bomb-making factory. They scream “genocide!”

The problem with Israel’s critics is that since they damn Israel for any and every action, they have made their voices utterly useless.

avater Oct 8, 2023

No. Just no.

GiddyGap Oct 8, 2023

Well, Israel is literally surrounded by countries who want to destroy them and wipe them off the face of the earth for religious reasons. I understand their anxiety.

That being said, Israel is not innocent.

Franzia Oct 8, 2023

Israel is an apartheid state leveraging state violence. They hold the cards and they shuffled the deck.