MicroWaveOct 7, 2023

At least 40 dead in Israel, more than 700 injured as Hamas militants launch thousands of rockets

https://lemmy.world/post/6446004

Hundreds dead in Israel and Gaza, thousands injured after Hamas launches rockets, Israel declares war - Lemmy.world

Over 100 Israelis have died and more than 900 were injured after rockets were fired from Gaza by Hamas militants, Israeli officials said Saturday. The Palestinian Health Ministry said 198 were killed in Gaza and at least 1,610 were injured Saturday in retaliatory attacks from Israel. “We are at war. We will win,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday. The Israeli Defense Forces earlier declared “a state of alert for war,” according to a statement issued by the IDF. “Over the past hour, the Hamas terrorist organization launched massive barrages of rockets from Gaza into Israel, and its terrorist operatives have infiltrated into Israel in a number of different locations in the south,” the IDF said early Saturday.

Show threadkescusayOct 7, 2023

This is awful, and there are no good sides to it. Hamas are terrorists, and the Israeli government’s actions have made this kind of thing inevitable.

A lot of innocent people on both sides will die, nothing will get resolved, and both sides will continue to do horrible things to each other.

This sucks.

Show threadpurahnaOct 7, 2023
Is there a way that a nation can use the same means as their oppressor to resist apartheid and not be labeled as “terrorist”?
Show threadvindOct 7, 2023
Why is this comment being downvoted?
Show threadThatWeirdGuy1001Oct 7, 2023

Because people don’t understand that violence is necessary at times.

When you’re violently oppressed for decades while exhausting all peaceful options it gets to a point where you only have violent options left. Especially when the actual govt does fuck all to help you.

Show threadCryophiliaOct 8, 2023
I agree in general but not THIS. Kidnapping, raping, and murdering random civilians, besides being monstrously evil, does not accomplish any goals.
Show threadV HOct 8, 2023

When you’re cornered with no options, do you lay down and give up, or do you lash out indiscriminately without worrying how it will look or stop to rationally assess whether it will help?

You can’t take away people’s other options and then blame them when their reactions gets increasingly extreme.

Show threadCryophiliaOct 8, 2023

Yeah I can.

Hamas attacked IDF soldiers - regrettable, but it’s war. No one is really talking about that.

Hamas did these acts of indiscriminate barbarism - total condemnation. And rightly so. These are war crimes, and sickening ones.

Show threadV HOct 8, 2023

They are war crimes.

At the same time it’s unreasonable to believe this won’t be the consequence eventually when you impose apartheid and carry out war crimes for decades.

As long as Israel maintains it’s illegal occupation and maintains it’s apartheid, and continue their own war crimes (including settlements - annexing occupied land is a war crime as well) it’s sheer hypocrisy to focus on the Palestinians desperate response, the same way it was when some focused on ANCs bombings of civilians rather than on the systematic oppression that created the situation in the first place.

Blaming the victim for punching the bully back is indirectly defending the bully, who in this case has a far higher death toll on theor conscience.

Show threadCryophilia
You call that poor scared murdered girl a bully?
Oct 8, 2023 at 7:38amWeb
Show threadV HOct 8, 2023

I call Israel a bully.

And the far larger numbers of poor scared murdered children they’ve left behind makes me unwilling to blame anyone but the occupier and the perpetrator of apartheid who has created the situation in the first place.

In other words, of you blame anyone but Israel for what happens in this conflict, you’re part of perpetuating the situation causing this.

Show threadCryophiliaOct 8, 2023

Why can’t we blame everyone who has murdered innocent civilians? Why do we have to blame one of the sides that has murdered innocent civilians, and hold the other side that has murdered innocent civilians blameless?

I blame all of the brutish, sadistic murderers on both sides. They’re all terrible.

Show threadV HOct 8, 2023

Because one side creates the situation and is the sole party with the power to end it, and the other side is in an utterly desperate situation stripped of other realistic means of fighting back, and it’s utterly vile to hold the oppressed and the oppressor to the same standard because that inherently favours the oppressor.

And because it’s wildly hypocritical when most of us live in countries that actively supports the oppressor and takes no step to stop it.

That doesn’t mean it’s not awful, and a war crime, but the blame lies on Israel for each and every death on both sides as long as they maintain their apartheid regime and their illegal occupation.

Show threadCryophiliaOct 8, 2023

That is fucking unhinged

the blame lies on Israel for each and every death on both sides

Abuser theory. “Look at what you made me do!”

Show threadV HOct 8, 2023
The abuser in this case being Israel, and it’s decades of crimes, yes, Israel loves that excuse when the Palestinians fight back