Israel Attack: Hamas Militants Parade Naked Body Of Israeli Woman In Open Truck; Disturbing Video Surfaces

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Israel Attack: Hamas Militants Parade Naked Body Of Israeli Woman In Open Truck; Disturbing Video Surfaces - Lemmy.world

In a shocking incident, horrific visuals are surfacing on the internet in which it can be seen that the Hamas militants are taking a semi-naked dead body of an Israeli woman on an open truck and parading in the city. It is said that the militants after attacking Israel are killing and taking the civilians as hostage. The militants took the dead bodies of the innocent civilians who were killed during the attack in open trucks and paraded them.

This is almost as bad as the Palestinian settlement destruction and genocide by Israel. Not quite but almost.
What Israel does is as you described. But can we please not use whataboutism to try and justify barbaric behavior? This is grotesque. Things done to Palestine is grotesque. Let’s just call evil things evil and not try and say “hey cause someone else did an evil this evil is okay.”

It’s not whataboutism. It’s the fucking dynamics of war. Whataboutism is saying “This is almost as bad as the Holocaust.” because the Holocaust is entirely unrelated to this conflict. Pseudo intelligence of idiots using terms they don’t understand is almost as frustrating as supporting a country who indiscriminately murders civilians while ignoring how a victimized country can still have extremists or terrorists acting separately from them.

War is grotesque. Hamas is grotesque. Do not confuse Hamas with Palestine.

Ignoring the ad hominem in your post, I never said Hamas was Palestine. I said that things done to Palestine are grotesque. I said this action by Hamas was grotesque, and replying to the original commenter that it was “almost as bad” as heinous acts done by the recipient of this evil act does not justify this evil act.

And the Holocaust has literally nothing to do with this discussion, as you mention. Better to make your point would be to actually discuss whataboutism as a definition and provide discussion for why making a counter accusational justification doesn’t qualify as whataboutism (note: the definition of whataboutism is literally responding to an accusation with a counter accusation in an attempt to side step the issue, which I believe is exactly what happened here, eg “this evil act (the accusation) is actually not that bad because of the other evil acts of Israel (counter accusation)”).

So my argument still stands to the tenets by definition, I never equated Hamas to Palestine (and in fact made the same point that acts done to them were also horrible), and never defended Israel or Hamas. I just don’t believe that killing civilians, or committing war crimes or attempting terror campaigns, is justifiable (by either side).

Good job, me calling you an idiot IS an ad hominem but unfortunately, ah, I still responded to your argument directly and didn’t use the fact you’re an idiot as the reason for why your argument is false, it’s just in addition to the reason I gave which is that your definition is literally incorrect.

A comparison is not a whataboutism. Me comparing shades of red is not me ‘whataboutisming’ the colors. The term is reserved for unrelated additions to a conversation that are typically viewed as an escalation from the original talking point to distract from the original context. Given that the genocide committed by Israel is one of the reasons as to why this incident is taking place, it isn’t whataboutism as it’s related and considered by many as a direct reason for this attack.

Yes, this is “almost as bad” as the act which provoked this response which can be taken as a cute way to remind people the original act happened or as a genuine comparison which may imply there could (or should) be more retaliation to ‘sum things up’. Because the events are related, calling it a “whataboutism” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Saying “This is almost as bad as the time Russia invaded Ukraine” is not a whataboutism. Saying “What about when Russia invaded Ukraine? That’s clearly so much worse because-”

Almost all of the time the actual words are used to make the fallacy, hence the namesake. “What about” posits a question to be answered and thus makes the distraction, “This is almost as bad as” is a comparative statement which requires no answer.

Definition of WHATABOUTISM

Definition of 'whataboutism' by Merriam-Webster

It’s the fucking dynamics of war.

This was a war crime.

So is Israel firing on Palestinian civilians. Both countries are soaked in innocent blood.