@tayfonay @Brad_Rosenheim @zacchiro @jacobin I would be interested in hearing their takes. I’ll write up a bit of mine later
@glasspusher @tayfonay @zacchiro @jacobin A few voiced agreement in reading it and sending it. One reason I distributed it was because we are a graduate only college and our administration wants us to teach undergraduates even though we see little value in an undergraduate program on Oceanography and we are geographically separated from the main undergraduate population. So right now there is a lot of resentment to the business model of the university whereby we have to do more with less, are asked to increase our productivity toward meaningless metrics without resources that are commensurate, and have to focus on getting higher numbers of students. All of it clamors together to practically eliminate creative time to write about current research and propose new research.

@Brad_Rosenheim @tayfonay @zacchiro @jacobin

Hey Brad,

Don't even get me started about academic administrations having the hired help, I mean, the professors/teachers do more work with the same or less resources.
The main thrust of the article- publish a boatload of stuff to further your career with high impact/h score crap? I'm not in academia, but I do research. The effort to publish in the boutique journals to look as good as possible seems to be backfiring.
I'm seeing more than a few papers published in Science or Nature in my specific field (electrochemistry) that have enough holes to drive a truck through. I doubt that such crap would make it through an electrochem only journal. Seems the publish or perish stuff is overloading reviewers as well.
As far as that article's other thrust- research that’s hewing to "playing it a bit safe”? I think that was always the case. Bigger risks, less of a chance of success. when I was a postdoc at a national lab, getting grant money (as I'm sure is the case broadly) was a case of "here's something novel, but not so novel as to be impossible”, in order to convince the grant reviewers.
One reason I chose the private industry path. Yes, less freedom, but also less hassle when it came to funding. When I reached the point of too much hassle with the higher ups in industry, I started my own company, and I’ve found my company’s investors are a lot easier to convince. Every dog has its fleas.

I think academia and science would benefit from a backing off a bit from quantity/high impact based publish or perish and a focus more on quality, but the way it's going now I don't see that happening. I also think there will always be people like me who say fuck it and choose a path that allows them to do their own thing with less hassle from above. I’ve been an anti-authoritarian troublemaker from the beginning anyway.
In your field, though, doesn't sound like private industry is an option.

@glasspusher @tayfonay @zacchiro @jacobin One needs to look no further than the winner of the Nobel Prize in medicine, Dr. Katalin #Karikó for your second point. She was shunned by her university for taking the slow and steady path to very important research, she was relegated to a second class citizen of the university, and then the university tried to take credit anyway.

@Brad_Rosenheim @tayfonay @zacchiro @jacobin

amen, brother. Not just the "slow and steady path", but she felt her research topic was worthy of pursuit, and management didn't. Granted, that isn't limited to academia, but UPenn now trying to cash in(so to speak) on their past association with her is shameless/clueless/all of the above.

I can relate to her- my career (and pretty much my life, let's face it) has been characterized by doing stuff I wasn't supposed to be doing, with little resources, and surprising folks with my ability to seemingly pull a rabbit out of a poorly funded hat.

At this point I wonder what I'd do if I had a decent budget 🤣

I quote I heard in the last year from Steve Wozniak went something like “My two A+ projects at Apple I had two things going for me- I had no budget and no training”

I know exactly what he meant.