It’s not that it’s unintuitive at all if you pick a simple distro, it’s just slightly different from Windows which has been shoved in your face throughout your entire education and career.

Yes there is some small amount of learning involved, but there are many Linux distros nowadays that are setup for ease of use and require no CLI knowledge or use from the user. There are many desktop environments that mimic Windows versions to make the switch pretty seamless, too.

If you first tried Linuxany years ago, I could understand you saying that it’s unintuitive, but nowadays that just isn’t the case.

it’s just slightly different from Windows

No. It is not “slightly different”. In my 30 years of using Windows I have never used the CLI, which you have to use on a regular basis on Linux to complete basic tasks. I detailed this example elsewhere. There’s absolutely nothing intuitive about the CLI.

You don’t have to really use the CLI on the simpler Linux distros nowadays is what I am getting at. Mint and Ubuntu for instance. Also, windows installers run Command Prompt stuff in the background. You are basically doing the same process but clicking buttons to setup a CLI command. They are more similar than you think.

You are just used to the GUI way of doing things, and you can get by fine on Linux nowadays. If you were forced to learn Linux growing up, you would think Windows was the unintuitive OS.

Also, I’m not trying to convince you one is better than the other, just telling you that it is not unintuitive at all nowadays.

You don’t have to really use the CLI on the simpler Linux distros nowadays

Yes. You do.

You are basically doing the same process but clicking buttons to setup a CLI command

How do you not realize how clicking a bunch of sensibly-labeled buttons is one thousand times easier and more intuitive than memorizing a library of commands and when and how to use them?

I’m just telling you that it is not unintuitive.

And I’m just telling you that you’re wrong.

No you don’t have to use the CLI on Linux at all. Modern Mint and Ubuntu come with completely GUI driven package managers for installing updating. It hasn’t always been like this but it is now.

You do realize this is just your opinion and not a fact. I can find tons of people who think Windows way of doing things is more unintuitive. I’m just telling you that neither of them actually are, you just have a preference and a bias because of what you are used to.

You sound awfully close minded and angry for some reason too.

Modern Mint and Ubuntu come with completely GUI driven package managers for installing and updating.

Okay and…what about the cornucopia of software that is not available in those repositories?

The only reason you would have to use the CLI is if you are doing some power user stuff

No it’s not. You’re just wrong about that and I don’t understand why you feel the need to lie about it. Any kind of diagnostics or troubleshooting you try to find support for Linux will be almost guaranteed to send you into the CLI.

You sound awfully close minded and angry for some reason too.

I am not closed-minded but I am angry because people throw around “it’s easy” all the time with zero concept of what a typical person is capable of. So idiots like me dive into it and spend hours and hours trying to make it work until we just give up and then have to go back and undo all of it just to get shit working again, which is just a giant fucking waste of time.

Okay and…what about the cornucopia of software that is not available in those repositories?

Sort by approximate number of pre-compiled packages. AppImage etc. are on top of that.

You have to hunt for software on windows way more than on Linux. And it also doesn’t always have a CLI installer: Say you want to control a Huawei E3372 not via its web interface (which sucks). Where do you go? You find a project on github, install go via chocolatey, then compile the project, then drop the exe somewhere.

Linux, at least, does not fucking de-install the graphics drivers while I’m playing a game. The level of jank on Linux is high, yes, with Windows it’s incomprehensibly high.

You have to hunt for software on windows way more than on Linux.

No you don’t. No one uses the Windows store. You just go to the website that makes the software and download and open the .exe

You just go to the website that makes the software and download

That’s literally hunting for the software dude. You gotta open up a web browser, and if you don’t know the webpage already you gotta search for it, find the download page on that website, get passed the likely popups and other crap and then finally select the right version of the software to download.

Package managers are 10000% better. Even Microsoft knows this, it’s why they created winget.

Putting in winget search software name Copying the package name from the search result Putting in winget install pasted package name is significantly fewer steps. No Google search, no finding the download page, no popup crap, and no fake download button ads trying to get you to install malware. You just install the software less time than it would take to even write your crappy comment.