Stamets [Mirror]Am I? Who knows
janaBut what’s the difference really
brown567It would arguably be safer XD
With the traditional method if something goes wrong you’re screwed, but with this one there’s some time to confirm everything went smoothly before doing any damage to the original
FaceDeerIndeed. You could even do one better; instead of flashing the old copy to vapor once you'd confirmed that the groundside copy was working correctly, why not freeze it instead? Then if the away mission goes wrong and the groundside copy is killed, thaw the old copy back out again.
Isn’t that what the pattern buffer is sometimes used for?
I don’t recall it ever having been used to bring people back after they’ve been killed; usually it’s only relevant in weird circumstances like when Scotty showed up in TNG
Not routinely. And there's a strict limit on how long a pattern can be held (at least until Strange New Worlds changed that bit of continuity), and a limit on how much "space" is available in the buffers.
With my freezing proposal you just need a bunch of racks in a room somewhere, and people can be easily kept on ice for centuries with very minimal support (TNG S01E26 "The Neutral Zone"). Most starships have plenty of volume to pack frozen corpses.
Heck, keep some spares on ice even when not on an away mission. If you get killed you only lose a few weeks of memories. Or source spare parts from them. That battle Worf lost with a barrel wouldn't have been such a big deal if there was a spare spine just sitting in inventory, or Picard's run-in with those Nausicaans back in the Academy. And in a pinch you could solve staffing issues by thawing a few out to fill some extra shifts.
I begin to suspect perhaps the writers of Star Trek might not be fully exploring all the possibilities their technology provides them.
MrPoopyButtholeIf they can assemble clones from pure energy as part of the teleporter process, like how a replicator makes food, then they can make 200 000 clones of Jango Fett with many more on the way to destroy starfleet the borg.
There's a book series based on using cloning and memory storage to accomplish very similar things called Undying Mercenaries. The main difference is instead of copying someone and keeping the copy on ice they have cybernetic implants that send engrams of their mind to remote storage, and if they die a clone can be rapidly grown and those stored memories saved to it. It gets pretty schlocky as time goes on, but it's a fun premise to play around with.
Clone orgies
Would be safer to keep both until the mission is over in case one of them gets killed. After that, safer to keep the original and dismantle the away team member so they don’t become supervillains bent on revenge.
DharkStareCreate a way to merge both Yous together after and you have a pretty neat failsafe for away missions.
FfaerieOxideWell now you've created gangers.
I’d be cool with it as long as I didn’t know it worked that way
XusonthaDoes that mean transporter clones are when the transporter ACTUALLY worked?
What’s that? I was right? Time to go talk to FNN then
Sidenote, love the FNN reference. Picard had some rough spots but it did some amazing world building.
runs faster
Thanks tho
I’ve got the Section 31 power walk, you’ll never catch me!
THIS IS BEING BOLD
THEY MUST KNOW THE TRUTH
I’m just asking ONE THING…
…o…k…
I… will? Totally, you can trust me
^now^ ^how^ ^to^ ^steal^ ^a^ ^shuttle…^
I’m still just impressed his hips and spine could actually do that.
It’s Boimler! Anything is possible!
I’m terrified of transporters
You and a significant amount of individuals in Starfleet apparently. I can’t say I blame them too much. After all the shit that’s gone horribly wrong? They have a point.
His head is on… backwards!
Or that pig that turned inside out and exploded.
dmonzelOr that Vulcan science officer that turned inside out.
Why didn’t anybody tell me my ass was this big?
We ain’t found shit!
samus12345Tuvok: “We have not located fecal matter.”
Oh shit, I forgot he’s in that! So good.
At least they have a better safety history than the fucking holodecks.
Choo Choo time.
You just know there is a software engineer in Starfleet who was repeatedly reminding their superiors that leaving the “safety protocol” feature as a user option would end in disaster.
They probably eventually got word of Picard’s debrief from First Contact too, and subsequently shut up about the matter. Innocents were one thing, the borg another, apparently.
“Fucking holodecks” is redundant.
The Picard ManeuverOld McCoy in his TNG cameo was right.
You the infinite molecular clones of you die every time.
What a Barclay.
Proudly so, ha
Yup, I’m taking the stairs
From orbit to the planet? That’s at least a dozen flights of stairs.
I’ve always wondered if your consciousness would transfer over.
There’d be a consciousness, it would have your memories and be indistinguishable to you, but I can’t understand where the chemical/physical parts of the brain turn into me perceiving and experiencing stuff.
Well consciousness is just chemical and electrical impulses. If you manage to re-create everything down to the molecule in the right area then you could completely rebuild the consciousness. Also means you’d be able to completely manipulate memories, experiences, basically anything held in the brain. Provided you had an intense enough neural mapping and deep enough understanding of the human brain to accomplish that. Luckily in the Trek universe, at least at the time of the 24th/25th century, that isn’t possible.
Your current consciousness, the one you are thinking with right now, would end.
A clone of you would go on at the transport site, fully believing that it is you, and that everything was fine.
Reconstructive teleportation is just remote replicators with mind control.
Feel free to prove the discontinuation of consciousness scientifically while satisfying all philosophic schools of thought on the matter.
SordidEasy, build the clone without destroying the original, then test if they share perceptions and memories. Show one a playing card and ask the other what card it was or something. Showing that two people don’t have the same consciousness is pretty trivial, and I don’t know of any philosophical schools that would dispute that.
I think you’re just talking about Thomas Riker
Yup, pretty much. It’s a shame Star Trek recognizes and points out this problem but then chickens out of it actually having any consequences.
CarbonIceDragonIt seems a silly question to ask, but interesting to think about because I can’t think of a way to prove the intuitively obvious answer: how does one know that the duplicate doesn’t somehow inherit the original consciousness, and some new one with the memories and personality of it doesn’t get immediately generated in the original body?
My point is meant to be, that proving that two duplicates are not the same people as eachother, is not quite the same thing as proving that a duplicate is not the original person.
how does one know that the duplicate doesn’t somehow inherit the original consciousness, and some new one with the memories and personality of it doesn’t get immediately generated in the original body?
Consciousness is brain activity. New brain = new activity = new consciousness.
The activity of something is essentially information (consider how computer programs are ultimately just the activity of the components of a computer). If I copy information from one substrate to another, and do so with no changes, I don’t have any new information. Applying that back to brains, assuming that consciousness really is only brain activity (which seems highly likely, but since we don’t really understand the nature of consciousness, isn’t completely proven), then I’d disagree with the new brain= new activity step