Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮Stop. Putting. Important. Info. In. Discord.
Put it on the actual web, where it is searchable.
"I know let's host files and important info on a proprietary chat platform that requires logins and isn't searchable outside it, what could possible go wrong?"
Uh, everything. Stop it.
FrazzledWings 
🦇@gamingonlinux discord is not a wiki *head desk*
Steen Comer (dba mediapathic)@FrazzledWings That sentence is going in my tech writing notes to use on clients. Thank you.
Not a Spring OnionI think it is a bit like a wiki.
Or, to be more precise: A company wiki:
The place where all important general info goes, never to be seen again.
HeroOfDermwood@gamingonlinux It is barely searchable when you have an account.
Fanriya@gamingonlinux I don't know why people don't understand that different software have different use. Yes we can share things on Discord but the goal is sharing/chatting in short term.
zblesk@gamingonlinux you say "outside it" as if searching for anything _inside_ it didn't totally suck
Ambient Sponge@gamingonlinux It's barely searchable within it.
CubeOfCheese@gamingonlinux barely searchable inside it too
Terenc3|Ben@gamingonlinux Discord is not a blogging platform where I can publish my indie game development progress? Ugh do i have to build a actual website…
Vint Prox@terenc3 @gamingonlinux Hm, you could always do those with microblogs, but this depends on what level of data ownership you prefer.
gom@gamingonlinux OK!
/me put important info into a 2h53min podcast without chapter marks on spotify.
/me put important info into a 2h53min podcast without chapter marks on spotify.
Admiral Bademeister@gom @gamingonlinux THIS! As long as video and audio files are not searchable for specific content, please write important stuff down! I have no time to watch dozens of hour long podcasts per week, so I might catch the info I need ...
dreamviewer@dreamviewer @weirdadmiral If the rate of "auto generated spam is the only search result" goes up at the same rate as the capabilities of AI to parse evry spoken Word, "Searching" won't be a thing in the future.
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shadowwwind@dreamviewer
In YouTube you can actually already search in subtitles, it's amazing. I can't get it to work all the time but it's amazing for finding that one specific scene but you can't remember the video
In YouTube you can actually already search in subtitles, it's amazing. I can't get it to work all the time but it's amazing for finding that one specific scene but you can't remember the video
@shadowwwind nice, i have to try it! i once saw a youtuber talking about haggis instead of hagrid, that was so funny
Alexander Stoffel@gamingonlinux this is my main grief with the otherwise amazing @statamic community. I miss the old days where forums where the go-to solution.
Judeau (EatTheRich)@gamingonlinux I'll add Facebook groups to that as well.
I was essentially forced to make a fake Facebook account just to join a huge group that is only on Facebook and has a ton of knowledge and experience.
It's walled off to the rest of the internet and I didn't even know the group existed until recently.
Old school forums are the way.
@Judeau good god Facebook, what a shitehole
Lyokolux@Judeau @gamingonlinux It is especially true when it comes to France. There are French content that exists only in Facebook groups 😑
Also some small french companies only have a Facebook page and call it a day
Also some small french companies only have a Facebook page and call it a day
@Judeau @gamingonlinux They are not motivated to switch to an independent website, because it means maintaining the content twice.
As FB is closed, no tool can be developed to automate the publication on both website and FB.
A majority of French people are on Facebook, but the youngest generation is not. It causes a fragmentation between the two and The available content
As FB is closed, no tool can be developed to automate the publication on both website and FB.
A majority of French people are on Facebook, but the youngest generation is not. It causes a fragmentation between the two and The available content
@lyokolux @gamingonlinux A great example of why these walled gardens are bad for everyone.
Knowledge used to be available on forums and the internet as a whole. Now, like you say, it's being fractured between Facebook, Discord etc.
Not only is it not searchable on the regular internet but critical tools like the Wayback machine are rendered useless.
It's aggravating and damaging to a healthy, free, open internet.
Rep Rap Ryn :3@Judeau @gamingonlinux Voron Usergroup Facebook comes to mind.
Lots of amazing content and questions and answers out there, and it's all locked up on Zuck site. I don't even bother going on there.
@reprapryn @gamingonlinux The unfortunate reality of this situation is that if you don't ''join'' the group then it's like being stranded.
You might hear some things or have some questions but no centralized place with knowledgeable people to talk to.
I understand people not wanting to visit 50 different forums and that's what made the original Reddit so good. It's a searchable repository of info from various communities but even Reddit is headed south.
I say old school forums! Or Lemmy?
@Judeau @gamingonlinux old school forums or Lemmy definitely. I'm not against discord but that's for shit posting tutorials need to go on some place more permanent.
@reprapryn @gamingonlinux Agreed 100%!!!
NewAmsterDon@Judeau @gamingonlinux This makes me crazy….
Andrzej Stamburski@gamingonlinux And with "important info" you mean classified documents about vehicles in WarThunder? Indeed, discord is not the right place.. 😂
@stamberry Obviously those need to be easily found on the WT forum
@gamingonlinux I was not related to this until I found #FoundryVTT Development informations are in source code or in Discord channels 😳
LR@gamingonlinux "the actual web" what server? where? nothing is safe
@lritter that's a different issue, which misses me overall point
@gamingonlinux i am good at making these
Raptor 
@lritter @gamingonlinux the nice thing about http servers though is that crawlers index it and stuff like archive.org saves snapshots of it, it's not locked in a proprietary container that's difficult to back anything up from. I can pull api's and tutorials from 25 years ago due to this, easily, even though their original servers are long dead.
Angad Behl@gamingonlinux I agree. However, I recall coming across AnswerOverflow on Hacker News. Seems to allow you to index server messages. Whilst this doesn't eliminate the issue, it can at least allow the information to be discovered easier.
https://www.answeroverflow.com/about
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36383773
Andrew Douglass@slashtechno @gamingonlinux it’s something, but it’s like buying bandaids for a deli because the guards on the slicer are busted. Instead of getting the slicer fixed.
Braw ☕🏳️🌈@slashtechno feels like an accessibility overlay solution that magically ‘fixes’ all accessibility problems on your site. Interesting idea but I highly doubt it'll work.
Official branded sites will always be ranked higher, e.g. for Cloudflare they have their own forum, and any question you ask about Cloudflare you'll likely to get answers from there rather than this site.
@brawaru @gamingonlinux Agreed. However, if information is going to be in a Discord community anyway, making it searchable from a normal search engine can be a small improvement.
Mobile Suit Golem@gamingonlinux I want to say an easy to use solution that would allow you to spin up forums and wikis with ease would solve this, but that's like what reddit does kind of, and people still use discord.
Sander van Kasteel@kpopncommunism @gamingonlinux Even in that case, I currently(!) prefer Reddit over Discord.
At least Reddit is somewhat searchable and indexable for search engines.
Vertana@SuitedUpDev @kpopncommunism @gamingonlinux For now. Facebook used to be open and accessible too. And with the policies Reddit is enacting now? It won’t be long until you require an account to see info and it too will go the way of Facebook.
@vertana @kpopncommunism @gamingonlinux That's why I used the word "currently".
But moral of the story, we all should advocate for open information sources.
@SuitedUpDev @kpopncommunism @gamingonlinux I caught your “(!)”, but I figured I’d throw it out there for the lurkers.
Adam Beer (old account)@kpopncommunism @gamingonlinux Isn't that what Discourse is?
GeoScum@gamingonlinux This is my #1 pet peeve with the internet in 2023. Down with Discord!
V_S@gamingonlinux Thank you for reminding me to repost everything on here, and to create my own website. Still have a lot to sort through.
Tucker McKnight@gamingonlinux A restaurant near me got rid of their regular website recently -- it points to some online ordering platform now. So their phone number and business hours are *only* listed on their Facebook page, which wouldn't load on my phone. (It kept trying to open the app and make me sign in -- I don't have a Facebook account.)
It ended up being faster to walk over there and look at the hours on their door than to try to find that info online.
noodlejetski 
@tuckerm @gamingonlinux my favourite restaurant has got a domain that simply shows their logo and then redirects to their Facebook page. they've got seasonal menu that changes every few months and while I've never been disappointed when eating there, I'd still like to be able to just check ahead.
welshtroll@gamingonlinux I was just having this conversation last week. Yes!
FAQ's are no use if someone has to delete a server to make room to join your server to see them.
FAQ's are no use if someone has to delete a server to make room to join your server to see them.
polygon 
@welshtroll @gamingonlinux Please stop talking about "discord servers" lol.
The official term for this is "guild" i believe.
Confusing this with a 'server' might suggest control over data, that you just don't have (and it's just terribly wrong, ngl).
The company that runs discord owns servers. You don't.
The official term for this is "guild" i believe.
Confusing this with a 'server' might suggest control over data, that you just don't have (and it's just terribly wrong, ngl).
The company that runs discord owns servers. You don't.
@welshtroll @gamingonlinux I like the matrix terms for this kind of stuff. You get "spaces" which contain "channels". That's it, basically. - Same thing for discord. You get a "guild" with some "channels" grouped into categories, can define some "roles", etc.
Still, everything that happens there, happens on discords server.
And we'll never know, what exactly happens with any user data.
Still, everything that happens there, happens on discords server.
And we'll never know, what exactly happens with any user data.
knabepicer@polygon @welshtroll @gamingonlinux Guilds are what they are called on the dev side of things, but to normal users they definitely refer to it as servers.
Dofain@gamingonlinux like War of Thunder forums?
MOVED TO POLYMATHS (Krafter)Github pages are free guys and just markdown (and most of yall are already using gh)
Aroop Roelofs@gamingonlinux Or people that only provide support on a Discord server... Which means you _have_ to open up Discord, then ask your question, spend ages to figure it out etc.
Instead of clicking a link, skimming through a thread and (hopefully) finding what you need.
fluke@gamingonlinux The exact reason I made a static website with gitlab pages and zola. The repo and website are getting cached and searched by search engines and *usually* turn up hits.
Fellwing🇪🇺@gamingonlinux This this this this!
@gamingonlinux to be fair though, private platforms that target a geeky demographic (or any demographic) have a very good history of never later enshittifying their platforms once they decide it’s time to start impressing shareholders. Nope.
Mighty Murder Mittens@gamingonlinux While we're at it, just stop using Discord. There's a FOSS alternative called Revolt that I've been looking into. Some of the QoL features are broken right now but they're working on fixing it. I'm looking into trying to transition to it, but as always the hard part is getting everyone else I know to do it too, a much easier task when there's large communities that exclusively use it, but I have no sway in such communities.