KidDogDadChinese video games are on the rise, but I wish they got more respect
AlmightySnoo đąđźđ±đșđŠI have huge respect for the Genshin Impact makers. The story is simply amazing and makes you want to pay attention to every little detail during your quests (especially the main ones). The Gacha aspect can be ignored as you definitely do not need to pay to have a really good team.
I got some respect. They made a casino for horny teenage boys, slapped a coat of paint on it, and its somehow legal.
alternative_factorGenshin actually has a surprising amount of horny teenage girls who play it, too. One article says its 55% male to 45% which is honestly very impressive.
Pulling off a game of pretty vast scope, supporting several very different host platforms, on a multi-year development timeline, and having it thrive in a hypercompetitive market is still an impressive technical achievement.
If all they wanted was to deliver âcasino for horny teenage boysâ, they could have done far less and still achieved that goal.
Youâre responding to someone frequenting !conservative and who obviously is projecting as he, like the vast majority of conservatives, always sweep under the rug issues like Christian family members or priests molesting children and at the same time claim to be against the âgroomingâ of children.
Black AOCI donât respect any developer that canât properly render melanin or coarse hair; or anyone who makes excuses for broke-dick hack âdevelopersâ who canât properly render melanin or coarse hair
China has spent decades building up their reputation of a place that produces cheap, inferior copies of better products and they arenât going to shake that overnight or even in a few years.
Are they even trying to change that reputation? The last I heard was that if you published a game app that was any sort of popular, you could expect it to be stolen and resold in China.
I also generally find it hard to trust any software produced in any totalitarian state.
The chauvinism of you settlers honestly makes me eager to watch the country crumble
Rikudou_SageDid that sound cooler in your head? âChauvinism if you settlersâ.
Cybersteelcommies
You mean the Authoritarian State Capitalist country of China?
They are as communist as the DPRK is democratic...in name only.
So communist? Communism as practiced is âstate capitalistâ
ramCommunism definitionally cannot exist within the apparatus of a state.
Youâre right now on a server whose back-end is developed mainly by two commies.
Allow the fascists to out themselves so that the reasonable among us can block them.
No one said Lemmy was perfect, it has its flaws. But I firmly believe this will sort itself out with forks.
If they want respect itâs going to have to be through quality Sony or Nintendo type single player titles that donât have a gacha model that gets critical acclaim. Their own Breath of the Wild or Last of Us type game that holds up critically as opposed to being a game where âgacha mechanics can be ignoredâ in a best case scanerio.
But, most of the games that are well known games embody the perfect spirit of capitalism meant to try and squeeze as much money out of its users over years. Mobile gamers may give it a pass with how they donât bat an eye to how predatory mobile games are, but the gamers that the writer is asking respect from are less likely to give those practices a pass.
There are a few great Chinese single player games out there like amazing cultivation simulator, but they are all indie games. The Chinese government restricted how Steam works in China so I have no idea how indie Chinese games are getting out there, if at all.
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-china-launch/
I played a little Genshin after it first released but was put off by the underage characters being portrayed sexually. The sad fact of the matter is that its a great game made with passion, and many Chinese games have a """lolicon""" issue. I tried the game Mahjong soul after getting into Mahjong from Final Fantasy, and it has the same issue.
And when I say """lolicon"", I mean kids as young as 11-13, maybe even younger. it's disgusting. Otakus seems to run the industry there as far as I can tell, or at least what makes it to the west because to know real stuff about Chinese culture you have to be at least kinda a weeb for Chinese stuff. I got into Xianxia from my love of manga which lead to Manhua. The Xianxia scene has a lot of problems but """lolicon""" hasn't been one of them.
TL;DR The chinese video game industry is run by otakus, at least for whats made it into the west.
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-china-launch/
I played a little Genshin after it first released but was put off by the underage characters being portrayed sexually. The sad fact of the matter is that its a great game made with passion, and many Chinese games have a """lolicon""" issue. I tried the game Mahjong soul after getting into Mahjong from Final Fantasy, and it has the same issue.
And when I say """lolicon"", I mean kids as young as 11-13, maybe even younger. it's disgusting. Otakus seems to run the industry there as far as I can tell, or at least what makes it to the west because to know real stuff about Chinese culture you have to be at least kinda a weeb for Chinese stuff. I got into Xianxia from my love of manga which lead to Manhua. The Xianxia scene has a lot of problems but """lolicon""" hasn't been one of them.
TL;DR The chinese video game industry is run by otakus, at least for whats made it into the west.
Racists really coming out of the woodworks for this one.
Which comments does yours apply to?
Because I am not seeing any.
Or is any criticism of china "racist" in your eyes?
Chinese isnât a race, its a nationality.
Pray tell, have you ever made an âAmerica badâ comment?
unironically active on c/conservative
finthechatIgnoring the second part of Blamemeta's comment, the first part is correct: Chinese isn't a race, it's a nationality.
Very insightful, do tell me more.
I hope you're asking in good faith. I'll try and give you a response as tl;dr as possible here.
Racism: hating people due to their ethnicity
Not racism: criticizing people (even of a single nationality or ethnicity) because of their politics
In the context of this article, most people in the comments are expressing privacy concerns over China controlling a larger percentage of the gaming market, and thus increasing the risk for demanding more data from the users installing that software on their machines. If anyone here were expressing racist concerns about this, people would be making disparaging remarks about yellow skin color or narrow eye shape, or something like that.
Furthermore, incorrectly identifying racism where there is none actually detracts from the actual anti-racist sentiment - in fact, the one I believe you hold - by muddying the definition of what is an isn't actually racism.
Okay, youâre only xenophobic, not racist. The distinction is really important to us!
Imagine being illiterate.
Actually, you don't have to imagine.
aight cac
They always do. Theyâll claim itâs not racist though and then the next breath say something about Winnie the Pooh.
Ahhum Acktually itâs not rasheism because chiense is a rashe. sniff There fore they canât be rasheist.
...You mean the meme that Chinese people were outlawed from doing because it's not offensive to Chinese, it's offensive to the leader?
That'd be like saying caricatures of an American President (of which there are hundreds of) are racist. Even when most of them were made by Americans.
As a result of it being outlawed and how prolific it became, white supremacists started using it to disparage Chinese people at large.
...How?
That doesn't even make sense.
Hating a regime that commits ACTUAL RACIAL-BASED GENOCIDE is racist, I guess that means hating Nazis was racism against Germans? You are a fucking idiot.
CylusthevirusWhy? The CCP is a defacto stakeholder in all Chinese companies. No fucking way am I installing anything they control.
On a console, for an offline game, sure.
I don't trust my details aren't being sent to the CCP aby other way.
Are you fine with it being sent to corporations? Because news flash, they sell your data to way more than just the CCP.
If it's on a console, sure.
What are they gonna sell, my play time habits?
Good Girl [she/they]Who are you thatâs so important that the government of China wants your information so badly theyâll track your every habit through⊠a video game?
You do realise the CCP monitoring systems are known to be completely indiscriminate, right? They try to monitor everyone they can
And? So does PRISM.
What do you expect me to be able to do about PRISM, exactly? American made software and services aren't exactly avoidable like their Chinese equivalents are.
So whereâs your xenophobic indignance at that? âThat and I donât live in China, so I donât have a social credit file that I care about being affected.â You got a FICO score here, donât you? That FICO score can lock you out of cars, apartments, and necessities to fuckin live, right? Whereâs your indignance about that? Or is it just âyou canât trust those damn dirty thieving asiaticsâ just like every other Kyle in this thread?
You got a FICO score here, donât you?
Are you fucking serious? Do you know how the FICO system actually works? I mean clearly you don't because you compared it to the Chinese social credit system.
To get a good FICO score simply requires 1) paying for things with a credit card and 2) paying off that credit card asap. That's it. The consequence of a bad FICO score means you cannot get decent loans because you've already proven yourself to be a risk.
The Chines social e credit system is a WHOLE different scenario. Basically EVERYTHING you do can affect it. If what you do conforms to the CCPs dictates, it goes up. If you go against the CCP, it goes down. Buying too many video games can decrease your score, for instance. And the penalties are much harsher too. Low social credit scores means you get barred from high end jobs and your kids can't go to good schools. Your ability to travel is limited, no-fly-list style. They can even straight up take your pets away over a low score.
So how the fuck does that sound anything close to FICO, you disingenuous, rage baiting twat?
DremorHi,
Your comment wans removed for breaking Rule 2. Chinese social score may be a very discutable topic, it is no reason for insults.
Best regards,
Dremor, c/games mod
Hi,
Your comment was removed for breaking Rule 2. FICO score may be a very discutable topic, it is no reason for insults.
Best regards,
Dremor, c/games mod
So weâre just gonna let people run they mouth on some sinophobic nonsense, but let me flip it back on them alla sudden yâall got a problem with it? I see you. Ainât touched none of the sinophobia in that thread, but you canât get off my dick? Like I said, I see you.
What are they gonna log, your play time habits?
That's why I'm fine with it on consoles. PC games though? Whole 'nother story.
who are you, Winston Smith, that's so important...
Shoutouts for my favorite Chinese developed game Gunfire Reborn. Borderlands-style Roguelike that you could almost SWEAR was going to have microtransactions. But no, it's one full price + character DLCs that is just start run, shoot dudes, complete runs. It got 99% good translations and a 100% mobile port! It's completely bewildering why this game didn't get treatment on par with Hades and Dead Cells.
Gunfire SLAPS for real
heckin great roguelike that my friends and i came back to recently after buying it back in 2020, and itâs gotten so good!!
I like Gunfire a lot but it doesnât have story and av comparable to Hades and doesnât have the reliability and difficulty of Dead Cells. A better comparison would probably be Risk of Rain 2, another game with a lack of story and budget art, that isnât as replayable as its betters, but still an enjoyable experience.
I mean, Genshin Impact is an outlier in games out of China. A lot of the games, even the big budget ones, from developers there are freemium or gacha trash (and Genshin only minorly avoids that by having a decent story and gameplay).
The first step would be to produce proper single player games that aren't reliant on a paid store model. There are some examples of that, but they're incredibly rare.
Isn't Genshin Impact also a gacha game?
As I said, it only minorly avoids the fate of other gacha games by actually having effort put into its story and gameplay.
Itâs the first gacha game I tried and it is good, but the presentation of rolls for items and characters made me understand how people can get addicted to it with the excitement of the presentation and anticipation. People can choose to ignore spending money on it, but the free rolls is an effective lure for the types that can fall into the deep end.
Still would not want to see any regulation of it though, since it being regulated would be a move towards handing over real identities to companies to manage which is terrible. I do wish it was just a regular game with DLC expansions than at its core a gacha game.
The absolute state of this threadâŠ
But what about ism?